A temporary lockdown would have

stopped the rise in its tracks and given them time to sort out track and trace.

It's easier to track and trace with lower numbers of infections. It gets harder and harder when numbers are so high.

I'm pretty sure Whitty said right at the very beginning it might be necessary to have a series of short lockdowns to keep it under control and stop a damaging second / third / fourth wave.

If you fail to keep numbers within reasonable limits then the economic pain, and the effect of people suffering from cancer, heart disease etc because of the strain on the NHS, will be FAR worse than a series of short, properly funded lockdowns.

Posted By: jamesward on October 29th 2020 at 09:37:45

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R is 2.86 in London now take care London wrathers (n/m) (Coronavirus) - loz, Oct 29, 07:39:30
- Which is odd given the £12 billion invested in a world beating T&T 😔 (n/m) (Coronavirus) - essexcanaryOTBC, Oct 29, 08:35:37
  - God you're a bore (n/m) (Coronavirus) - fond, Oct 29, 09:23:40
    - You're ok with spaffing £12 billion up the wall? Think of all the refugees and starving (Coronavirus) - essexcanaryOTBC, Oct 29, 13:12:28
- Have you got a source for that? (n/m) (Coronavirus) - 51eve, Oct 29, 08:35:26
  - Here... (Coronavirus) - loz, Oct 29, 08:44:16
    - https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.citya m.com/coronavirus-london-r-rate-catapult s-to-highe (n/m) (Coronavirus) - loz, Oct 29, 08:59:39
- Depressing isn’t it! (Coronavirus) - JoeyDeacon, Oct 29, 07:55:06
  - That relates to antibodies (Coronavirus) - Timmy_Goat, Oct 29, 09:21:54
    - We will be locked down for christmas (Coronavirus) - CWC, Oct 29, 09:39:06
      - I do not concur about Christmas lockdown (Coronavirus) - Timmy_Goat, Oct 29, 09:51:58
        
        Then any lockdown now is pointless (Coronavirus) - CWC, Oct 29, 10:02:57
    - Daily infections look similar to March now at 100k (Coronavirus) - SCC 28, Oct 29, 09:29:40
      - You can't really compare current Infection numbers with march (Coronavirus) - Timmy_Goat, Oct 29, 09:36:43
        
        Thought react survey gave 96K now (Coronavirus) - SCC 28, Oct 29, 09:43:04
        
        I don't have the paper to hand at the moment but wasn't it 1.2%? (Coronavirus) - Timmy_Goat, Oct 29, 09:57:11
        
        I think this was announced last night (Coronavirus) - SCC 28, Oct 29, 10:24:17
        
        But discrepancy with other estimates (Coronavirus) - SCC 28, Oct 29, 10:28:49
  - It does with a vaccine (Coronavirus) - SCC 28, Oct 29, 09:15:19
  - neither will a vaccine (Coronavirus) - paulg, Oct 29, 09:15:05
    - That's not actually what the scienceresearch is suggesting at all (Coronavirus) - Cardiff Canary, Oct 29, 09:55:22
      - VMT (n/m) (Coronavirus) - SCC 28, Oct 29, 10:25:16
      - Good. Would different vaccines (Coronavirus) - paulg, Oct 29, 10:10:48
        
        There are about six different vaccine approaches (Coronavirus) - Cardiff Canary, Oct 29, 11:42:51
        
        Great post (n/m) (Coronavirus) - yellowman, Oct 29, 11:55:40
        
        Ta - appreciated (Coronavirus) - Cardiff Canary, Oct 29, 11:59:33
        
        Yes, thanks for that (Coronavirus) - paulg, Oct 29, 13:40:27
        
        On the sciencey stuff (Coronavirus) - Cardiff Canary, Oct 29, 13:57:58
        
        (in 138 neat tweets) (Coronavirus) - Cardiff Canary, Oct 29, 14:03:25
        
        ta (n/m) (Coronavirus) - paulg, Oct 29, 14:38:14
        
        Ffs!...glad you went for it again though (n/m) (Coronavirus) - yellowman, Oct 29, 12:30:22
    - A vaccine won;t be 100% effective but even if it reduces transmission by 60% then (Coronavirus) - Jim, Oct 29, 09:21:37
      - Infections are generally like that though (Coronavirus) - CWC, Oct 29, 09:35:48
        
        Yes but thats the point isn;t it. Kick the can down the road untiol we have a vaccine (Coronavirus) - Jim, Oct 29, 10:28:23
        
        it was meant to be to kick the can long enough to build up NHS capacity... (Coronavirus) - CWC, Oct 29, 11:00:44
        
        The virus mutations haven't impacted vaccine effectiveness (Coronavirus) - Cardiff Canary, Oct 29, 11:49:16
        
        goodo (Coronavirus) - CWC, Oct 29, 12:38:38
        
        I hear ya (Coronavirus) - Cardiff Canary, Oct 29, 12:46:09
        
        Plenty of room for positivity (Coronavirus) - SCC 28, Oct 29, 13:18:12
        
        A different strain? What? (n/m) (Coronavirus) - SCC 28, Oct 29, 11:12:41
        
        something in the FT about it being a new strain (n/m) (Coronavirus) - CWC, Oct 29, 12:36:55
        
        I reckon he knows this too (n/m) (Coronavirus) - SCC 28, Oct 29, 10:50:45
      - Yep he should stop pretending to be so clueless (Coronavirus) - SCC 28, Oct 29, 09:25:56
        
        not sure which bit you disagree with .. (Coronavirus) - paulg, Oct 29, 09:31:13
        
        A temporary lockdown would have (Coronavirus) - jamesward, Oct 29, 09:37:45
        
        There are already far better treatments (Coronavirus) - SCC 28, Oct 29, 09:35:07
        
        I'm not suggesting there are no treatments or never will be (Coronavirus) - paulg, Oct 29, 09:41:01
        
        No angst just amazed at your attitude (Coronavirus) - SCC 28, Oct 29, 09:45:40
        
        wevs (n/m) (Coronavirus) - paulg, Oct 29, 09:49:36
        
        & this is the Lancet article I had in mind (or a ref to it anyway) (Coronavirus) - paulg, Oct 29, 09:33:54
        
        Some of the vaccines being trialled (Coronavirus) - Cardiff Canary, Oct 29, 10:01:31
        
        Imperfect and might not work for everyone (Coronavirus) - SCC 28, Oct 29, 09:47:44
    - Haha what (n/m) (Coronavirus) - SCC 28, Oct 29, 09:16:22

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