No (although I have been known to be wrong occasionally)
Place yourself in the shoes of the judge [arbitrator].
You're being asked to decide how the rules are applied. You can't really re-write the rules (although tbf it has been known!):
1) Ending the Season: You have one rule that says each team is entitled to play all other teams twice home and away. That's an easy default position for that one. If a decision is taken 'not' to play all games, we have to argue that the decision to not play out the remaining games is so unfairly prejudicial to us (in all the circumstances, including balancing prejudice to other shareholders) that it would be (if injuncting) or was (if after compensation) the wrong decision.
2) Relegation: There is a clear rule that the bottom three at the end of the Season (defined as when the last match is played, so if there are no more matches...) go down. That's the default. It isn't qualified by how many matches have been played. It isn't qualified by whether the EFL has played all of it's matches. It isn't qualified by whether mathes have been played in the usual H/A manner, or at neutral venues. You'd have to imply all of that stuff. To imply a term it has to be really obvious that that's what the parties meant, or that it's the most sensible way of interpreting an unclear provision. Trouble is, I think the provision is quite clear as written. When the season ends, the bottom three in the current table go down. It's just really duff drafting*. The courts won't correct bad drafting just because it has unpleasant side effects in some scenarios. [*In fairness someone will have raised it, but the prospect of spending weeks and months trying to define how much of a season needs to have completed for it to stand, and how you calculate placings in a curtailed season, would have been put in the 'too difficult, we'll sort it out when it happens' box. Been there...]
3) In terms of continuing at neutral venues etc. This comes back to unfair prejudice and whether the measures adopted unfairly prejudice clubs like us. That's much more subjective. (As an aside, neutral venues are clearly contemplated in how 'home' & 'away' games are defined: the home team is the team whose stadium is 'or should have been' the home stadium.) The difficulty for us here is that, whilst we might be more adversely affected than others, what are the realistic alternatives? If Plod is saying we can't use our normal stadia, you've got to play somewhere, and you've got to do something around social distancing, otherwise we are back to the default of waiting for when the games can be resumed normally (or agreeing to end the season). So the Restart plan might be s**t for us, but if the alternatives are even s**tter, I don't see much hope in 'unfair prejudice' really. This, though, is where we'd have most leverage in threatening legal action (as long as the EPL and other clubs believe we, Villa and the others would press that button and f**k the football industry over by holding things up). In some ways the EPL threatening clubs with deductions etc doesn't harm an after-the-event argument that we've been unfairly pressured into agreeing to something that unfairly prejudices us. So it's going to come down to what form Restart takes and how we're impacted, and (crucially) whether there was a less prejudicial way of doing it. Always remembering the defaults are either waiting indefinitely or ending early and dealing with that relegation issue.
The other thing for us is that even if we sue following relegation, we currently have (say) a 1/20 chance of survival, so we're looking a lost 1/20 chance at staying up, so compensation being a small percentage of whatever we can convince someone would have been the likely profit for next season [not all EPL teams make a profit!]
Villa & Bournemouth might do better of course. Which now makes me wonder - given we're likely to be going down, and given compensation (for us) is likely to be negligible, ought we get fully on board with Restart to undermine the credibility of any argument Villa etc make? Maybe a bit too Machiavellian.
I still remain convinced that this will be sorted out exec-to-exec in the fairest way possible but in a way that preserves the existing league structures. The lawyers won't really be weaponised beyond veiled threats, it would be too bloody for football.
I think we're in a morally very strong position, but a legally weak one, and sadly (and more importantly) a commercially weak one. So whichever way this pans out, I think we're f**ked, unless we win the lottery and relegation is scrapped!
Posted By: CWC on May 8th 2020 at 16:09:57
Message Thread
- League 1 and league 2 finishing next week (Other Football) - Duck, May 8, 08:54:37
- that seems about as fair a solution as is possible from this situation (n/m) (Other Football) - Mecagoenti, May 8, 09:28:38
- Doesn’t take into account teams like us that have most of their ... (Other Football) - loz, May 8, 09:32:04
- Not fair on any team relegated in such a manner (Other Football) - revsimon, May 8, 13:05:25
- yeah, it's still not really fair (Other Football) - Mecagoenti, May 8, 09:45:15
- What happens if a game is abandoned after 70 minutes? (Other Football) - Jim, May 8, 10:12:01
- Might still happen (Other Football) - CWC, May 8, 11:38:04
- Yes. Which would involve the big 6 accepting more games and a lesser share of (Other Football) - Jim, May 8, 11:53:25
- Might still happen (Other Football) - CWC, May 8, 11:38:04
- Imagine Bournemouth going down on this basis to be replaced by Fulham ... (Other Football) - loz, May 8, 09:49:19
- Why? Could easily have happened anyway if the season had finished (n/m) (Other Football) - mr carra, May 8, 09:52:13
- Relegating a side on goal difference to a side ... (Other Football) - loz, May 8, 09:53:48
- Surely that's less unfair... (Other Football) - mr carra, May 8, 12:39:22
- I don’t see it stacking up legally (Other Football) - Jim, May 8, 10:21:42
- There isnt really a legal angle (Other Football) - CWC, May 8, 11:16:16
- I don’t agree. The season is 38 games. If 38 games aren’t played there is (Other Football) - Jim, May 8, 11:50:38
- You either play it out or you agree to end it (Other Football) - CWC, May 8, 14:42:31
- But you are implying the default there when in fact it is not there? (Other Football) - Jim, May 8, 15:15:54
- No (although I have been known to be wrong occasionally) (Other Football) - CWC, May 8, 16:09:57
- I have been known to be wrong as well (Other Football) - Jim, May 8, 18:41:10
- Meaningfully threaten litigation not relegation! (n/m) (Other Football) - Jim, May 8, 15:16:24
- No (although I have been known to be wrong occasionally) (Other Football) - CWC, May 8, 16:09:57
- But you are implying the default there when in fact it is not there? (Other Football) - Jim, May 8, 15:15:54
- You either play it out or you agree to end it (Other Football) - CWC, May 8, 14:42:31
- That’s the issue there isn’t a default scenario... (Other Football) - loz, May 8, 11:23:45
- Yes there is Loz, read the EPL Handbook (Other Football) - CWC, May 8, 11:31:42
- Surely that’s based on a full season though... (Other Football) - loz, May 8, 11:53:07
- Yes there is Loz, read the EPL Handbook (Other Football) - CWC, May 8, 11:31:42
- I don’t agree. The season is 38 games. If 38 games aren’t played there is (Other Football) - Jim, May 8, 11:50:38
- It's a sporting competition (Other Football) - mr carra, May 8, 11:03:28
- It’s a company. It’s governed by company law and other private law principles. (n/m) (Other Football) - Jim, May 8, 11:51:54
- It is a change when home and away fixtures aren’t completed (n/m) (Other Football) - loz, May 8, 11:24:39
- There isnt really a legal angle (Other Football) - CWC, May 8, 11:16:16
- Relegating a side on goal difference to a side ... (Other Football) - loz, May 8, 09:53:48
- I don't think it's that hard to imagine (Other Football) - Mecagoenti, May 8, 09:51:24
- Why? Could easily have happened anyway if the season had finished (n/m) (Other Football) - mr carra, May 8, 09:52:13
- What happens if a game is abandoned after 70 minutes? (Other Football) - Jim, May 8, 10:12:01
- "as fair a solution as possible". There is no answer that suits everyone. (n/m) (Other Football) - Yellalee, May 8, 09:33:23
- Agreed, but that isnt what people want to hear (n/m) (Other Football) - earlydoors, May 8, 12:00:01
- I agree the situation is surely much more complex where ... (Other Football) - loz, May 8, 09:36:43
- We were getting relegated anyway (n/m) (Other Football) - CWC, May 8, 11:08:06
- Maybe who knows lots of winnable games at home (n/m) (Other Football) - loz, May 8, 11:29:54
- We were getting relegated anyway (n/m) (Other Football) - CWC, May 8, 11:08:06
- Doesn’t take into account teams like us that have most of their ... (Other Football) - loz, May 8, 09:32:04
- Hand (n/m) (Other Football) - Jim, May 8, 09:25:12
- If they think premier league clubs will have over their shares to the (Other Football) - Jim, May 8, 09:22:08
- They would have no choice (n/m) (Other Football) - CWC, May 8, 11:06:42
- Daft isn’t it you’d be effectively meekly accepting relegation ... (Other Football) - loz, May 8, 09:25:53
- Are EFL clubs shareholders in a business in the same way prem clubs are? (Other Football) - Jim, May 8, 09:43:50
- In what sense would they not be? (Other Football) - paulg, May 8, 10:16:17
- Do they own a share in the limited company is what I mean? (n/m) (Other Football) - Jim, May 8, 10:28:43
- It appears they are. Will be interesting to see what fallout there is from clubs who (Other Football) - Jim, May 8, 10:48:31
- Do they own a share in the limited company is what I mean? (n/m) (Other Football) - Jim, May 8, 10:28:43
- In what sense would they not be? (Other Football) - paulg, May 8, 10:16:17
- Are EFL clubs shareholders in a business in the same way prem clubs are? (Other Football) - Jim, May 8, 09:43:50
- that seems about as fair a solution as is possible from this situation (n/m) (Other Football) - Mecagoenti, May 8, 09:28:38
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