The thing is though that as usual its far more nuanced than is being

reported.

If you actually read the full account the boy was taken to A&E, treated and seen quickly and had a bed/trolly before being asked to vacate that bed/trolly for a more seriously ill child coming in. I assume that that point they were satisfied he did not have pneumonia.

He was then put in a room to wait for a bed to become available for him to stay overnight so he could be monitored. The hospital acknowledges that this room did not have a bed, just chairs so it appears they were effectively asked to wait in chairs and at some point during that wait the mother put coats on the floor so her son could lie down and sleep.

So actually all the different accounts add up if you actually read the full story but we don't get that we just get these viral headlines and photos flying about and people trading insults.

Its not good that there was not a bed immediately available for him, that should be the aim. That's why it appears the hospital apologised. But, by the same token "had to lie on the floor whilst waiting for treatment for pneumonia" is not quite the same as "his mum put him on the floor to sleep whilst he waited for a bed to become free after A&E had treated him and diagnosed tonsillitis because he wouldn't settle in a chair."

Posted By: Jim on December 10th 2019 at 09:57:17

Message Thread

I don't think Jez was right to use that image of that poor boy yesterday (NCFC) - ingi, Dec 10, 08:02:32
- *** Is it that difficult to put posts in the correct category? *** (NCFC) - Daniel the Stallion, Dec 10, 09:30:28
- For anyone believing the Tory smears and lies (NCFC) - duke of york, Dec 10, 09:07:12
  - The thing is though that as usual its far more nuanced than is being (NCFC) - Jim, Dec 10, 09:57:17
    - “There was no bed for him in A&E and there was no bed for him on the ward, so he just had (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Dec 10, 10:07:36
      - Erm (NCFC) - Jim, Dec 10, 10:20:12
        
        so we're all agreed that there were not enough beds to cope with the need? (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Dec 10, 10:29:08
        
        There are not enough hospitals/beds to cope with the demands at peak times yes (NCFC) - Jim, Dec 10, 10:33:50
        
        oh yeah, PFI. (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Dec 10, 10:42:04
        
        I quite liked PFI (NCFC) - CWC, Dec 10, 10:50:45
        
        I'm surprised they're not all paid off by now (n/m) (NCFC) - duke of york, Dec 10, 10:53:32
        
        some were 30-40 years (NCFC) - CWC, Dec 10, 11:04:57
        
        Before Jim says it, enthusiastically embraced by New Labour (n/m) (NCFC) - duke of york, Dec 10, 10:43:19
        
        Almost a decade since Labour were in power (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 10, 10:37:41
        
        Are you going to comment on the three subsequent threads to this story? (NCFC) - duke of york, Dec 10, 10:22:35
        
        All just a sign of the depths that our politics have sunk to (NCFC) - Jim, Dec 10, 10:27:49
        
        They're not Retweeting (NCFC) - duke of york, Dec 10, 10:30:54
        
        By our you obviously mean Tory (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 10, 10:30:03
        
        Yeah, what does it matter if it was an actual Labour MP's child? (n/m) (NCFC) - duke of york, Dec 10, 10:31:32
        
        If there is an unacceptable situation then it doesn't. But if people are creating (NCFC) - Jim, Dec 10, 10:37:44
        
        It wasn't a created situation! (NCFC) - duke of york, Dec 10, 10:38:42
        
        They might have injected him with tonsillitis tbf (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 10, 10:40:46
        
        Seems like Jim is an ardent Tory ffs (n/m) (NCFC) - loz, Dec 10, 10:24:10
        
        I'm not, i'm really not. I'm anti Corbyn but to be honest I don't really like (NCFC) - Jim, Dec 10, 10:28:29
    - That's broadly what happened, yeah (NCFC) - duke of york, Dec 10, 10:04:21
      - I think it works both ways and in that sense I suspect that many within the NHS are not (NCFC) - Jim, Dec 10, 10:23:35
        
        well exactly, and that's the real takeaway from the story (NCFC) - CWC, Dec 10, 10:42:15
        
        Wonder why he won't be interviewed by Andrew Neil (n/m) (NCFC) - duke of york, Dec 10, 10:44:08
      - you've not even mentioned Hancock's false allegations of the assault on one of his aides (n/m) (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Dec 10, 10:09:05
        
        He walked into his outstretched arm......I'm going to use that next time (n/m) (NCFC) - BSE Canary, Dec 10, 10:15:36
        
        Ah yes, forgot that (NCFC) - duke of york, Dec 10, 10:12:30
    - So pleased you’re on hand with the detailed explanation (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 10, 10:01:58
      - Well he didn;t want to go off piste did he. He will look back on that as an error but (NCFC) - Jim, Dec 10, 10:30:36
        
        He was being interviewed by a journalist (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 10, 10:34:33
        
        Yes that is what I mean/said. The fact that once he actually looked at it and responded (NCFC) - Jim, Dec 10, 12:36:53
        
        He's barely fucking human (n/m) (NCFC) - duke of york, Dec 10, 10:31:57
  - That’s not what former paediatric nurses are saying pal (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 10, 09:13:58
    - they must be part of the 50,000 'new' nurses the Tories have promised (n/m) (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Dec 10, 09:38:06
    - Haha, I mean, it's so fucking transparent, and yet (NCFC) - duke of york, Dec 10, 09:16:11
      - *fall for it (n/m) (NCFC) - duke of york, Dec 10, 09:16:30
- I have a son about the same age (NCFC) - JoeyDeacon, Dec 10, 08:52:02
  - Be careful about believing what you read on the net (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Dec 10, 09:13:31
  - Not rumours - smears which you’ve bought into (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 10, 08:59:31
  - It wasn't - the hospital has released a statement apologising (NCFC) - duke of york, Dec 10, 08:55:12
- Er - it was a journalist asking the PM about it? (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Dec 10, 08:24:58
  - It was a newspaper and a journalist not Corbyn ffs (n/m) (NCFC) - loz, Dec 10, 08:32:07
  - Once it makes Boris look bad, the parents are evil (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 10, 08:26:48
- Yep can’t believe he targeted the party responsible (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 10, 08:16:27
  - Why shouldn't the parents highlight the poor treatment of their sick son? (NCFC) - duke of york, Dec 10, 08:34:46
  - you miss the point (NCFC) - ghostof barry butler, Dec 10, 08:20:19
    - Yeah terrible. Nothing at all like using a murder victim in London to (NCFC) - CB41, Dec 10, 09:27:14
    - How else were they supposed to raise awareness (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 10, 08:25:25
    - Could have been a 35 year old white male instead of the boy. (NCFC) - Trent_Canary, Dec 10, 08:24:39
      - Especially when that cunt BoJo stole the phone as well (n/m) (NCFC) - loz, Dec 10, 08:33:09
- totally agree (NCFC) - ghostof barry butler, Dec 10, 08:15:37
  - Maybe thinking why the fuck is our son on the floor (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 10, 08:22:16
    - watch what you are saying (n/m) (NCFC) - ghostof barry butler, Dec 10, 08:26:31
      - I’m not criticising his parents (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 10, 08:28:01
        
        no but the implication of this line is clear (NCFC) - ghostof barry butler, Dec 10, 08:31:01
        
        You do seem baffled by it tbf (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 10, 08:34:35
        
        i am upset because you implied (NCFC) - ghostof barry butler, Dec 10, 08:39:43
        
        I’m saying you can’t understand the parents (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 10, 08:43:13
        
        yes i do question the wisdom (NCFC) - ghostof barry butler, Dec 10, 08:50:06
        
        He's four - doubt he knows anything about it at all (n/m) (NCFC) - duke of york, Dec 10, 08:51:44
        
        probably doesn't (NCFC) - ghostof barry butler, Dec 10, 09:08:02

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