In one sense

yes, the details differ & one may be more serious than the other. But nonetheless they should call for the same reaction. It's the point I made below - this sort of occurrence is a product of the direction in which the conduct of political debate is travelling - we've normalised quite violent abuse in/about politics & political discussions, we're willing eg to countenance jokes about throwing battery acid on people we don't like, and so we end up with this sort of thing. When someone gets up and walks towards a speaker, and you can say, with some justification - I didn't know what she planned & how serious it might be - then the whole environment of debate has been poisoned.

Posted By: paulg on June 21st 2019 at 14:40:34

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Mark Field MP - understandable actions or excessive? (n/m) (General Chat) - Azteca, Jun 21, 11:34:16
- Well within the law (General Chat) - Old Git, Jun 21, 17:46:49
  - Probably a party member (General Chat) - CWC, Jun 21, 18:55:30
- Field lied saying he was fearful etc. He knew exactly this was a non violent protest (General Chat) - essexcanaryOTBC, Jun 21, 14:51:21
  - Oh dear! (General Chat) - Highlander, Jun 21, 19:46:27
- clearly excessive but (General Chat) - CWC, Jun 21, 14:02:17
  - There wouldn't have been this level of brouhaha - because he wouldn't have done it. (General Chat) - norway, Jun 21, 14:31:52
    - Not quite my point but suspect you are right (n/m) (General Chat) - CWC, Jun 21, 18:57:52
      - Oh indeed - my point was more of an aside tbh (n/m) (General Chat) - norway, Jun 21, 19:23:41
  - What was the reaction to Farage & the milkshake? (General Chat) - paulg, Jun 21, 14:10:36
    - Being covered in milkshake is not really the same as (General Chat) - duke of york, Jun 21, 14:24:34
      - they're both assaults (General Chat) - paulg, Jun 21, 14:32:20
        
        yeah but, would it ever be acceptable to punch a nazi? (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Jun 21, 14:39:13
        
        Ha! That's a very good question. (General Chat) - paulg, Jun 21, 14:45:20
        
        They're totally different (n/m) (General Chat) - duke of york, Jun 21, 14:35:22
        
        In one sense (General Chat) - paulg, Jun 21, 14:40:34
- Totally acceptable (General Chat) - Highlander, Jun 21, 13:13:33
  - 6/10 Trolling points..... (General Chat) - usacanary, Jun 21, 14:46:55
  - Is this how you deal with women? Says a lot (n/m) (General Chat) - essexcanaryOTBC, Jun 21, 14:06:42
    - I have never had occasion to "deal" with a woman in my life (General Chat) - Highlander, Jun 21, 14:47:35
  - Imagine if she’d been gay too. What would you have liked him to do then? (n/m) (General Chat) - essexcanaryOTBC, Jun 21, 14:01:42
  - You're clearly a terrible human being (n/m) (General Chat) - duke of york, Jun 21, 14:01:30
    - Human? (n/m) (General Chat) - essexcanaryOTBC, Jun 21, 14:17:57
  - Thou shalt shove women against walls and grab them round the neck. (n/m) (General Chat) - norway, Jun 21, 13:24:42
    - I'm surprised he didn't go full Trump and grab her by the pussy (General Chat) - Dunney, Jun 21, 14:40:48
  - Hat trick! ✅ (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Jun 21, 13:18:15
    - Do we have Pukki Pies yet? (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Jun 21, 14:00:47
      - I don't really understand the link between right wing views and tolerating assaults (General Chat) - norway, Jun 21, 14:35:44
        
        Because it was a Tory who did it? (General Chat) - duke of york, Jun 21, 14:50:04
        
        I was actually going to say he mistook her for his wife.🙄 (n/m) (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Jun 21, 15:04:35
        
        Twitter has the same correlation (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Jun 21, 14:45:05
- Why is assaulting women up for debate? Is there more than one answer? (n/m) (General Chat) - Dunney, Jun 21, 12:46:20
  - It wasn't his job to forcibly remove her after she trespassed (n/m) (General Chat) - Basingstoke_Canary_J, Jun 21, 12:55:04
    - He thought her greenpeace leaflets were bombs though 😂 (n/m) (General Chat) - essexcanaryOTBC, Jun 21, 14:04:28
- Absolute hero (General Chat) - Dog, Jun 21, 11:47:58
- What annoys me is that people struggle to leave their (General Chat) - Chopper, Jun 21, 11:47:54
  - i have no bother leaving my political opion out of this at all (General Chat) - Tombs, Jun 21, 12:32:51
  - It is being investigated and has been denounced (General Chat) - SCC 28, Jun 21, 11:50:50
    - So he should be arrested but none of the security guards should be? (n/m) (General Chat) - Basingstoke_Canary_J, Jun 21, 12:20:11
      - They should if they were assaulting people (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Jun 21, 12:22:16
    - Agree (n/m) (General Chat) - Chopper, Jun 21, 11:53:53
- Both (General Chat) - 702, Jun 21, 11:37:15
  - She was clearly not armed. I doubt he’d have had the balls to tackle an armed attacker (General Chat) - essexcanaryOTBC, Jun 21, 14:05:26
- The usual suspects will say it was understandable (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Jun 21, 11:36:27
  - I guess I’m a usual suspect but don’t see a lot wrong with what he did (General Chat) - Jim, Jun 21, 11:43:22
    - If this happened in a match what would you think? You can block and stop people without (General Chat) - essexcanaryOTBC, Jun 21, 14:03:17
    - Jesus Christ Jim - she's walking past. (General Chat) - norway, Jun 21, 13:28:55
      - Shouldn't of been there in first place. Force maybe excessive but point stands (General Chat) - Basingstoke_Canary_J, Jun 21, 13:50:19
        
        *have* (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Jun 21, 17:30:54
        
        The debate about peaceful protest is separate (General Chat) - norway, Jun 21, 13:58:18
    - Of course it was excessive FFS (General Chat) - duke of york, Jun 21, 11:57:58
      - I'm sorry but as far as i'm concerned, your barging into a dinner.. (General Chat) - Basingstoke_Canary_J, Jun 21, 12:02:50
        
        What a ludicrous analogy (n/m) (General Chat) - duke of york, Jun 21, 12:10:05
        
        He's a troll (n/m) (General Chat) - strap_on sally, Jun 21, 12:39:36
        
        And your a goblin (n/m) (General Chat) - Basingstoke_Canary_J, Jun 21, 12:48:40
        
        *you're (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Jun 21, 17:32:40
        
        You're right - will stop engaging (n/m) (General Chat) - duke of york, Jun 21, 12:46:54
        
        No don't (n/m) (General Chat) - Basingstoke_Canary_J, Jun 21, 12:55:53
        
        Feed me feed me! (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Jun 21, 13:06:29
        
        Ok. So your issue is that an MP removed her. Had it been a security guard it's a ok then (General Chat) - Basingstoke_Canary_J, Jun 21, 12:19:03
        
        here's how you deal with a big angry man that starts protesting when an MP is giving a spe (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Jun 21, 12:28:37
        
        Don't think anyone would touch him (n/m) (General Chat) - Basingstoke_Canary_J, Jun 21, 12:56:08
        
        I'd like to see Mark Field try to remove him by the neck (n/m) (General Chat) - duke of york, Jun 21, 12:33:38
        
        A trained security guard wouldn't have removed her by the neck (General Chat) - duke of york, Jun 21, 12:21:07
        
        Have you done your proact script training?! Right hand on left shoulder (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Jun 21, 12:51:45
        
        You seriously think security remove people in that fashion? (n/m) (General Chat) - Basingstoke_Canary_J, Jun 21, 12:57:08
        
        Depends on the situation. (n/m) (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Jun 21, 13:38:23
        
        And yet security repeatably remove people using headlocks from pubs and clubs (General Chat) - Basingstoke_Canary_J, Jun 21, 12:26:57
        
        If someone is being threatening or aggressive (General Chat) - duke of york, Jun 21, 12:29:42
        
        But we excuse the lady's actions who put herself in that situation (General Chat) - Basingstoke_Canary_J, Jun 21, 12:40:55
        
        He didn't really give her much of a choice to leave peacefully did he. (n/m) (General Chat) - DrDublin, Jun 21, 12:28:16
        
        She had a choice not to trespass an event and stage an unauthorised protest. (General Chat) - Basingstoke_Canary_J, Jun 21, 12:44:51
        
        It was disproportionate (General Chat) - paulg, Jun 21, 13:14:01
        
        Details (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Jun 21, 12:29:53
        
        And it’s the security guard’s job. (n/m) (General Chat) - APB, Jun 21, 12:21:31
        
        what happened to the Champions League streaker? (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Jun 21, 12:12:27
        
        Grabbed round the waist I think (General Chat) - duke of york, Jun 21, 12:19:01
        
        Woman grabbed round waist without her permission. (n/m) (General Chat) - Basingstoke_Canary_J, Jun 21, 13:12:55
        
        Here's a classic, although wouldn't google this until you're hum either... (General Chat) - DrDublin, Jun 21, 12:14:25
        
        Another usual suspect ✅ (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Jun 21, 12:04:20
        
        Defends hooligans abroad, doesn't defend woman assualted by MP (General Chat) - norway, Jun 21, 13:36:02
        
        A woman who made a choice to trespass. (General Chat) - Basingstoke_Canary_J, Jun 21, 13:46:43
        
        Agreed - she didn't deserve it. (n/m) (General Chat) - norway, Jun 21, 13:58:41
        
        Yup, the right wingers happen to think it was all fine (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Jun 21, 12:16:22
        
        I'm not right wing so keep your labels to yourself. (n/m) (General Chat) - Basingstoke_Canary_J, Jun 21, 12:21:52
        
        Haha (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Jun 21, 12:30:42
        
        Men without hats too (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Jun 21, 12:21:11
        
        Ah yes (n/m) (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Jun 21, 12:30:23
        
        Or Pygmy Bulb if whichever regular that is decides to hide (n/m) (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Jun 21, 12:17:33
      - Grabbing round the back of the neck was particularly unedifying, why not the arm? (n/m) (General Chat) - DrDublin, Jun 21, 12:00:23
        
        Yeah, that's by far the worst bit for me (n/m) (General Chat) - duke of york, Jun 21, 12:09:21
        
        Because strangling women is ‘instinctive’ (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Jun 21, 12:03:02
        
        Lol (n/m) (General Chat) - Azteca, Jun 21, 12:03:59
    - You were top of my list (General Chat) - SCC 28, Jun 21, 11:45:17
      - You're top of my list too. (General Chat) - Pygmy bulb, Jun 21, 12:05:48
        
        Too kind! (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Jun 21, 12:07:49

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