Well
As y’know (because you can’t possibly not know), there is no dispute that the 2016 referendum Leave campaign was riddled with illegal funding (From Putin and the US alt-right – Aaron Banks), foreign interference via social media (Cambridge Analytica, Russian Bots, enabled by Facebook) and promoted and voiced by paid actors like Farage and Johnson, enabled and craved by disaster capitalists like Mogg .
It has been ruled in court that if the referendum was binding, the result would not have been allowed to stand. Basically, it has been found that the Referendum was not a free and fair representation of democracy. Our democracy.
T May and cohorts knew it but used the loophole that it was ‘advisory’ to circumvent the law about ‘binding’ refs, at the same time using the ‘advice’ to ‘bind’ us into her maniacal pursuit of her own ideology to remove freedom of movement for 65 million UK citizens. We have been subjected to this “will of the people” trope (straight from 1930’s Nazi propaganda) ever since.
The fact that both Putin and Trump have both publicly stated we shouldn’t have a second vote (what’s it got to do with them?) should tell you what sort of people you are standing in line with.
I fully understand why people voted to leave. I live in an area which voted about 70% leave. Some of my relatives did. They voted leave because they were told all their problems were caused by the EU and they would get something better. All the empty slogans and false promises made people think they were going to win the lottery, and as the actual truth is hard to accept, many are still clinging to that hope.
But when was the last time you heard any politician mention a benefit of Brexit? How any ‘ordinary people’ in the ‘lower social-economic circles’ ever thought that Farage, Gove , Mogg, Johnson were out to make their lives better in any way better is beyond me. Is there anyone more ‘elite’ and out of touch than that bunch? Every one of them and their ilk are out to enrich themselves at our expense. The EU is just the convenient fall guy.
So I don’t feel honour bound to respect an undemocratic referendum. Neither am I belittling anyone, including my own family, who voted leave. But now we know the Leave slogans and promises can’t be delivered on, unless you consider T May’s WA does that (and she is about to force a THIRD vote on it), then in my opinion we should either revoke A50 or have another vote to see if people might have changed their minds, this time knowing the facts.
Posted By: Dunney on March 15th 2019 at 13:23:38
Message Thread
- good morning to all the racists on this board (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Mar 15, 07:47:59
- Sadly I think there was a "bloody foreigners" factor in some of the leave vote. (n/m) (General Chat) - MORDENCANARY, Mar 15, 13:56:55
- Silly. (General Chat) - tim berry, Mar 15, 11:11:20
- literally no one says that all leave voters are racists (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Mar 15, 15:12:36
- You should work in TV news (General Chat) - Ben, Mar 15, 09:30:42
- We should have a people's vote (General Chat) - Chris Peacock, Mar 15, 09:43:41
- True story (General Chat) - Under soil heating, Mar 15, 09:25:04
- Exactly, Brexit became a nostalgia vote for many people. We all, me included, think things (General Chat) - megson, Mar 15, 10:36:36
- Excellent post USH. Agree with everything except (General Chat) - Dunney, Mar 15, 10:13:37
- Yes let's just forget about any pretense at democracy. Fuck that. (n/m) (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Mar 15, 10:24:11
- Ah yes. The 'seeing if people have changed their minds is undemocratic' argument. (n/m) (General Chat) - Dunney, Mar 15, 10:46:21
- Sometimes it's better to enact the result of the vote (General Chat) - Basingstoke_Canary_J, Mar 15, 11:29:56
- Well (General Chat) - Dunney, Mar 15, 13:23:38
- Tells you that everyone's bored and knackered! (n/m) (General Chat) - paulg, Mar 15, 17:01:52
- *applauds* the fact that none of the brexiters replied to this truth tells you everyhting (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Mar 15, 16:08:46
- Not if people have decided they no longer want to enact that decision, as it is not (General Chat) - megson, Mar 15, 12:13:20
- We are a remarkably tolerant country... (General Chat) - Pablo, Mar 15, 12:25:35
- In terms of racial tolerance (General Chat) - paulg, Mar 15, 13:08:03
- We are a remarkably tolerant country... (General Chat) - Pablo, Mar 15, 12:25:35
- Well (General Chat) - Dunney, Mar 15, 13:23:38
- Sometimes it's better to enact the result of the vote (General Chat) - Basingstoke_Canary_J, Mar 15, 11:29:56
- Ah yes. The 'seeing if people have changed their minds is undemocratic' argument. (n/m) (General Chat) - Dunney, Mar 15, 10:46:21
- Yes let's just forget about any pretense at democracy. Fuck that. (n/m) (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Mar 15, 10:24:11
- It's a straightforward point which you are deliberately misinterpreting. (General Chat) - norway, Mar 15, 08:32:01
- I know several racists who voted to stay (General Chat) - paulg, Mar 15, 09:45:37
- that's the problem - complexity and nuance never got a look-in in this fiasco, from the (General Chat) - Higher Wrather, Mar 15, 10:12:42
- I cldn't agree more (General Chat) - paulg, Mar 15, 10:27:14
- And are indeed illegal in Germany, for example. (n/m) (General Chat) - APB, Mar 15, 10:58:44
- and yet work very well in Switzerland (n/m) (General Chat) - Pablo, Mar 15, 12:30:32
- And are indeed illegal in Germany, for example. (n/m) (General Chat) - APB, Mar 15, 10:58:44
- I cldn't agree more (General Chat) - paulg, Mar 15, 10:27:14
- that's the problem - complexity and nuance never got a look-in in this fiasco, from the (General Chat) - Higher Wrather, Mar 15, 10:12:42
- I think we know already he will say anything for a bit of attention (n/m) (General Chat) - Basingstoke_Canary_J, Mar 15, 08:50:21
- I know several racists who voted to stay (General Chat) - paulg, Mar 15, 09:45:37
- Good morning then (n/m) (General Chat) - Basingstoke_Canary_J, Mar 15, 08:21:06
- Your logic concludes......... (General Chat) - Highlander, Mar 15, 08:09:01
- Erm, not sure how you define logic gobb and Highlander (General Chat) - Yellalee, Mar 15, 08:30:36
- Think we need a Venn diagram (n/m) (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Mar 15, 09:51:00
- Did you know that John Venn built a bowling machine? (General Chat) - paulg, Mar 15, 10:03:20
- Think we need a Venn diagram (n/m) (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Mar 15, 09:51:00
- hmmm.... 65% of the electorate didn't vote for Brexit. (n/m) (General Chat) - Pixelman, Mar 15, 08:20:44
- Young people under 25 tend to be remained..... (General Chat) - MORDENCANARY, Mar 15, 13:59:50
- hey not my logic (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Mar 15, 08:12:10
- Great quote, only thing missing were the quotation marks. (n/m) (General Chat) - Basingstoke_Canary_J, Mar 15, 08:57:15
- Well it was nobody else's logic... (n/m) (General Chat) - Yellalee, Mar 15, 08:43:13
- Erm, not sure how you define logic gobb and Highlander (General Chat) - Yellalee, Mar 15, 08:30:36
- Yawn (n/m) (General Chat) - yarmouthyellow, Mar 15, 08:00:06
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