Wales & Scotland have an element of FPTP

Their Additional Member System gives one vote on a FPTP basis and one vote on a PR basis. The PR system they use is party lists (ditto the EU elections)

Not sure NI's system of STV lends itself to an EU referendum. Nor really the STV process for the PCCs - the system would be overly weighted towards a non-Remain result as some Remainers will inevitably mark a Leave second option because they misunderstand the process and think they have to. So yes I do think it's too confusing in a 3 way decision like this where the 3 options are not equal.

I think you need two separate binary questions, "In or Out", and then "If Out, Deal or No Deal?"

(Arguably we've had the in/out one already but I can't see how any new referendum gets through Parliament without Remain as an option)

And should EEA/EFTA be an option as a Deal alternative?

On a tangent I can't really see how you can have a credible public vote on the Deal as barely anyone is going to read the full 585 page document so it can't be a properly informed vote given how rushed the process will be (in the same way the original one wasn't a properly informed vote)

All in all it's a mess.

Posted By: CWC on November 16th 2018 at 11:42:29

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Confidence vote in May (General Chat) - Jim, Nov 16, 09:11:37
- Back i 2016 she helped get us into this mess though.... (General Chat) - rosarios_school_tie, Nov 16, 16:54:54
- It is a shame (General Chat) - Basingstoke_Canary_J, Nov 16, 13:05:42
- The biggest losers of all this will be Labour and indirectly the SNP (General Chat) - Highlander, Nov 16, 12:52:43
  - there wouldn't necessarily be a GE (General Chat) - CWC, Nov 16, 14:01:15
  - You really think the tories could gain seats? (General Chat) - Jim, Nov 16, 13:24:53
- A bit late then tbh. (n/m) (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Nov 16, 10:55:58
- Nope. (General Chat) - norway, Nov 16, 10:26:02
- There is precisely no chance at all - literally none (General Chat) - Old Man, Nov 16, 09:24:06
  - I agree, the irony is that if the ERG force her out, they will get a second referendum and (General Chat) - Jim, Nov 16, 09:29:04
    - Second referendum will be stronger in favour of leave. (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Nov 16, 13:29:20
      - yeah cause literally nobody here is clever like u lot in holl land (General Chat) - paulg, Nov 16, 14:19:02
        
        Blimey some people who voted Brexit are chippy (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Nov 16, 14:50:04
        
        I'm not chippy. (General Chat) - paulg, Nov 16, 16:55:44
        
        'cept the EU has never been unpopular in this country - most people were just meh about it (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Nov 16, 17:03:48
        
        that is the point, yes - and you're included as much as anyone else! (n/m) (General Chat) - paulg, Nov 16, 17:26:22
        
        which is why they have spending limits and rules about where donations come from... (n/m) (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Nov 16, 17:35:38
    - I don’t think there will be a second referendum (n/m) (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Nov 16, 10:18:08
    - depends on the question (General Chat) - CWC, Nov 16, 09:41:50
      - Think you make a very good point about anti EU sentiment potentially increasing (General Chat) - Chalk Hill Bitter, Nov 16, 12:34:23
      - part of the problem would be (General Chat) - paulg, Nov 16, 09:50:53
        
        How does an election clear it up any more than a referendum though? (General Chat) - Jim, Nov 16, 09:55:05
        
        you'd have to have No Deal as an option (General Chat) - CWC, Nov 16, 10:07:08
        
        all of the following are not FPTP (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Nov 16, 11:06:39
        
        Wales & Scotland have an element of FPTP (General Chat) - CWC, Nov 16, 11:42:29
        
        the remain voters' 2nd choice would only come into play if remain polled lowest number of (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Nov 16, 17:12:20
        
        then it would be flawed for this purpose (General Chat) - CWC, Nov 16, 22:02:11
        
        I disagree with your 2nd paragraph and it becomes a choice of deal or no change (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Nov 16, 23:43:49
        
        I think that’s all covered by the first referendum isn’t it? (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Nov 16, 10:22:13
        
        remain on what terms? (General Chat) - paulg, Nov 16, 10:00:09
        
        But an election doesn't "deal with it" at all does it? (General Chat) - Jim, Nov 16, 11:17:10
        
        Nope we can remain right as things are, up until March 29th (General Chat) - Bungle, Nov 16, 10:13:08
    - a second referendum would be a collosal disaster (General Chat) - paulg, Nov 16, 09:40:56
      - They wouldn't. Polling shows businesses are more concerned about (General Chat) - Jim, Nov 16, 09:56:03
        
        fuck them, businesses always hate change but the country desperately needs it (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Nov 16, 12:43:15
        
        Yeh....fuck businesses..... (General Chat) - usacanary, Nov 16, 12:59:09
        
        if business chose government or polices, we'd all still be workhouse slaves (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Nov 16, 13:04:34
        
        They do though. Indirectly. (n/m) (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Nov 16, 13:34:34
        
        Yes but the age old question is (General Chat) - Basingstoke_Canary_J, Nov 16, 13:21:59
- Sometimes I feel sorry for her, then I remember she wanted this job badly. (General Chat) - Higher Wrather, Nov 16, 09:23:02
  - Yes very much that last part (General Chat) - CWC, Nov 16, 09:27:44
- JRM is my fecking MP (General Chat) - CWC, Nov 16, 09:20:19
  - Thats the problem though isn;t it. people just vote on party lines regardless of who the (General Chat) - Jim, Nov 16, 09:31:15

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