it's just nuts

to assume that there is only one measure of success and that your particular measure of success is more important than other people's.

It also seems nuts to pick some examples of current success by a few (lucky?) clubs and using that to mark us down as being unsuccessful, without considering that the fates of other similar clubs to us would seem to suggest that we've actually been having quite a successful period.

I bet that Bristol City's very rich owner (of the type many would want to replace Delia with) would love to have experienced our supposed lack of success over the past 10 years. I remember prepping their AGM papers as a baby lawyer when the goal of Premiership football was the be all and end all. A decade later...

Back in the early/mid 90s my best mate was an Owls fan. He's not had a great time since.

Wtf happened to Coventry? I know they still exist, but...

Success is all relative...

In terms of bang-per-buck enjoyment, I'd say the past decade or so has been rather successful - I've got to see a fair number of promotions, a win at Wembley, a decent spell of top flight football. That's a damn sight more success than I ever got as a kid (being just too young to properly take in our European adventures or life before PL relegation). I'm not going to judge my current football experiences by some 1959 cup run. That's not even living in the past, that's living in the history books.

Now I agree with you to a degree in that, in the current financial climate, I have reservations as to whether the current ownership model will mean my kids will ever get to experience the same levels of success. But I'm also a realist and know that it is very (very) unlikely that we will ever have a rich enough benefactor to guarantee us sustained top flight success, so 'success' needs to be viewed in that context. Having a rich owner is no guarantee of 'success' in this division though - getting the right manager and having a huge dose of luck is far more important.

So that is how I would judge the current owners - not by some unattainable yardstick of past glories, but by whether they can maintain the current period of relative success. If that makes me 'undemanding' then so be it.

Posted By: CWC on September 3rd 2018 at 12:23:37

Message Thread

"Deliafication" (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Sep 3, 11:08:39
- Remember that game. Freezing. Bellemy had a blinder of second half kicking to wards Barcla (NCFC) - Pixelman, Sep 3, 14:56:15
- You do seem very certain (NCFC) - avenging canary, Sep 3, 12:53:56
  - a very wise man recently tweeted (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Sep 3, 12:59:49
    - Matthew Gibson (n/m) (NCFC) - Bristol Graham, Sep 3, 13:14:04
- Chase... What's the current view? (NCFC) - Cardiff Canary, Sep 3, 12:45:51
  - Preferable to (NCFC) - Pompatus of Creosote, Sep 3, 14:31:45
- it's just nuts (NCFC) - CWC, Sep 3, 12:23:37
  - But isn’t the critical point in that ... (NCFC) - Old Git, Sep 3, 13:05:30
    - they are two distinct issues (NCFC) - CWC, Sep 3, 17:22:46
    - This. Delia has stated many times that she just wants what (NCFC) - SeattleSounders, Sep 3, 13:17:57
      - *might* be best (n/m) (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Sep 3, 13:33:10
      - It would only be better if she sells it to the right person. (NCFC) - strap_on sally, Sep 3, 13:26:09
        
        for what it's worth i think he would've passed the Smith & Jones 'right person' test (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Sep 3, 13:39:02
        
        Evans (NCFC) - Pompatus of Creosote, Sep 3, 14:33:29
        
        oh, i misremember Pickover's work of art then (n/m) (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Sep 3, 14:39:19
        
        It came to light after that, I think (n/m) (NCFC) - Pompatus of Creosote, Sep 3, 14:43:13
    - I very much agree OG (NCFC) - Jim, Sep 3, 13:13:51
  - Fantastic post. (n/m) (NCFC) - Old Man, Sep 3, 12:42:35
  - YAY! This is exactly how I feel! Thank you for expressing it so well. (n/m) (NCFC) - Bravo win or die, Sep 3, 12:39:32
  - VMT (n/m) (NCFC) - trianglepatch, Sep 3, 12:28:51
- List of similar sized clubs or bigger doing the same or worse (NCFC) - Charles21, Sep 3, 12:17:55
  - Coventry and Charlton good examples (n/m) (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Sep 3, 12:21:13
    - And prem title winners Blackburn (n/m) (NCFC) - Dracula, Sep 3, 12:35:21
      - Blackburn now back above us of course and just paid £7m for a striker plus (NCFC) - Jim, Sep 3, 13:04:38
        
        So the fact they are on the way back up means..... (NCFC) - Charles21, Sep 3, 16:20:21
        
        No not envious of them but they are a club who are often cited as (NCFC) - Jim, Sep 3, 16:35:59
        
        then you should be delighted with being able to tell the grandkids about our play off win? (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Sep 3, 17:54:09
        
        Yes, great memories although both only happened because we (NCFC) - Jim, Sep 3, 18:01:49
- Should’t We be more like Derby? ROFL how many years in the PL have they had recently? (n/m) (NCFC) - trianglepatch, Sep 3, 11:46:57
- Good song that (NCFC) - Bungle, Sep 3, 11:42:17
- You cannot compare football now to what it was when we were a little bit successful. (NCFC) - BINMEN8R, Sep 3, 11:42:08
  - I am going to challenge you on one of those points... (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Sep 3, 12:18:51
    - However (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Sep 3, 12:27:34
    - Fair enough...maybe 'one off' would be better terminology. Because I can't see that (NCFC) - BINMEN8R, Sep 3, 12:23:03
      - Yeah the result is very unlikely to happen again, but just give them their creds for (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Sep 3, 12:29:00
- You've done it again! Sneering at 10,000 fans (NCFC) - norway, Sep 3, 11:28:20
- “Many of whom just go for the experience.” (NCFC) - APB, Sep 3, 11:25:34
  - I read that and were wondering what other reasons there were for going? Maybe TBF goes in (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Sep 3, 12:31:01
    - You should go to see whether the product you've bought is "acceptable" (n/m) (NCFC) - paulg, Sep 3, 12:47:19
    - were = was. I am not from Yorkshire (n/m) (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Sep 3, 12:31:20
      - “Were” is correct. Reasons is a plural word. (n/m) (NCFC) - APB, Sep 3, 13:28:44
        
        I were wondering ..? (n/m) (NCFC) - paulg, Sep 3, 13:34:45
        
        Ah yes. Wrong were. (n/m) (NCFC) - APB, Sep 3, 17:06:23
        
        ^^^ this. Ah were wunderun ;) (n/m) (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Sep 3, 15:06:24
- What exactly is it you want? (NCFC) - Azteca, Sep 3, 11:23:20
  - He wants attention, stop giving it to him everyone please. (n/m) (NCFC) - strap_on sally, Sep 3, 11:27:03
    - Big Feller is intelligent, articulate and well informed (NCFC) - Old Git, Sep 3, 11:37:14
      - I do too. It's well thought out, informative, and usually (NCFC) - SeattleSounders, Sep 3, 13:22:46
      - It’s too contrived (NCFC) - camcan, Sep 3, 12:08:47
        
        Heck! It’s not even always well-written. (NCFC) - APB, Sep 3, 17:14:01
        
        Passion is good but erudition is good too! (NCFC) - Old Git, Sep 3, 13:07:15
        
        They’re not mutually exclusive (NCFC) - camcan, Sep 3, 13:17:51
        
        The problem here is some people believe that the issue is content (NCFC) - norway, Sep 3, 14:26:17
        
        VMT (n/m) (NCFC) - avenging canary, Sep 3, 17:34:13
        
        Quite. (n/m) (NCFC) - APB, Sep 3, 17:08:33
        
        Absolutely! This morning I feel I've been got at for being a fan who enjoys the experience (NCFC) - Bravo win or die, Sep 3, 15:14:12
        
        I go with my son. He's 11. (NCFC) - norway, Sep 3, 15:35:15
        
        Nailed. (n/m) (NCFC) - avenging canary, Sep 3, 13:59:12
        
        Among the 10,000 citizen journey, there are many who write shit for the experience. (n/m) (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Sep 3, 12:32:56
        
        journos... (n/m) (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Sep 3, 12:33:07
        
        Spot on. (n/m) (NCFC) - Yellalee, Sep 3, 12:19:17
      - and an attention seeker. (n/m) (NCFC) - strap_on sally, Sep 3, 11:38:05
    - Typical WOTB reply (NCFC) - ghostof barry butler, Sep 3, 11:33:45
      - Fuck off GOBB (n/m) (NCFC) - strap_on sally, Sep 3, 11:34:58
        
        There it is (NCFC) - ghostof barry butler, Sep 3, 11:40:39
        
        All we need now for a full house is USA,SCC and Pants to wade in on this thread (n/m) (NCFC) - strap_on sally, Sep 3, 11:42:25
        
        Lol (n/m) (NCFC) - ghostof barry butler, Sep 3, 11:45:20
    - If we’d won yesterday... (n/m) (NCFC) - APB, Sep 3, 11:27:31
  - Likes, retweets, praise, affirmation, applause, gratitude. (n/m) (NCFC) - norway, Sep 3, 11:26:55
- Thats really my point, you will often see the "post Cardiff brigade" referred to (NCFC) - Jim, Sep 3, 11:22:13
  - this something i tried to explain many years ago (NCFC) - ghostof barry butler, Sep 3, 11:30:09
- Too many words (n/m) (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Sep 3, 11:09:33
  - Far, far too many (NCFC) - paulg, Sep 3, 11:27:14
  - Agreed (NCFC) - strap_on sally, Sep 3, 11:16:41
    - Lol (n/m) (NCFC) - APB, Sep 3, 11:21:28
  - put simply: he wants Frank Lampard to be our manager (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Sep 3, 11:14:33
    - I have friends who are Derby fans. (NCFC) - norway, Sep 3, 11:21:31
  - Too much supposition. (n/m) (NCFC) - Garry Brooke, Sep 3, 11:13:52
    - Also lol (n/m) (NCFC) - APB, Sep 3, 11:28:14

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