"Deliafication"
OK, let's give the board their due. If you compare the area around the stadium now to what it was 20 years ago, well... there's no comparison at all. There's all sorts of top quality facilities around Carrow Road: which for many, must turn matchdays into a far better, different experience than way back when.
But here's the thing. To their immense credit, over the past 15 years or so, the board have sustained about 10,000 more regular attendees. A remarkable achievement... especially given how mixed the fare has been. I was there on the night of our lowest modern day league attendance: eight thousand and something at home to Birmingham (3-3, the no-shows really missed out that night) in 1998, so I still pinch myself at times at our crowds now.
But among that 10,000 or so really are many who just go for the experience. I don't mean or want to disparage them; they've put in far more money than I ever have, and their support sustains the club. But boy oh boy, are they undemanding. These are new fans... and while I don't want to go back to some daft era of jumpers for goalposts or something, they do have very different attitudes to success.
More than that, where I agree with Jim is as follows. Of course the game's changed since we peaked under Chase; it's unrecognisable. But rather than throw their hands up, cry about how unfair it all is and give up on their dreams, many of our similar-sized competitors are thriving. Watford finished 2nd in the 80s; well, look at them now. Leicester had never won the league before their owners took over; what Forest and Derby once did, they emulated. Yet Watford are smaller than us; and like Southampton, Leicester are not naturally bigger than us. Not without their owners, anyway.
Yet in our case? Instead of striving to get back to where we once were (however briefly, however much the stars very much aligned in terms of our youth system), we have large numbers of supporters who I think are barely even aware of what we once were. To them, just being in the Prem in 2004/5 really WAS success; really WAS their version of the 1959 Cup run. And that's just nuts.
To put it another way: we are a whole level worse than we were throughout the vast bulk of Chase's time. How can we possibly consider that as 'success', or even acceptable? But our expectations as a fanbase have fallen precisely because of our owners' lack of means. It's a fait accompli. One begats the other.
It's even weirder when we consider the gates. Right now, however early in the season it admittedly is, we're the second most under-performing club in England in that sense. With our attendances, shouldn't we, as a minimum, be like Derby, and in the top 6 more or less every year? But of course, Lampard would never have considered us. And there's a reason for that - which brings us back to where we began.
Posted By: thebigfeller on September 3rd 2018 at 11:08:39
Message Thread
- "Deliafication" (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Sep 3, 11:08:39
- Remember that game. Freezing. Bellemy had a blinder of second half kicking to wards Barcla (NCFC) - Pixelman, Sep 3, 14:56:15
- You do seem very certain (NCFC) - avenging canary, Sep 3, 12:53:56
- a very wise man recently tweeted (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Sep 3, 12:59:49
- Matthew Gibson (n/m) (NCFC) - Bristol Graham, Sep 3, 13:14:04
- a very wise man recently tweeted (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Sep 3, 12:59:49
- Chase... What's the current view? (NCFC) - Cardiff Canary, Sep 3, 12:45:51
- Preferable to (NCFC) - Pompatus of Creosote, Sep 3, 14:31:45
- it's just nuts (NCFC) - CWC, Sep 3, 12:23:37
- But isn’t the critical point in that ... (NCFC) - Old Git, Sep 3, 13:05:30
- they are two distinct issues (NCFC) - CWC, Sep 3, 17:22:46
- This. Delia has stated many times that she just wants what (NCFC) - SeattleSounders, Sep 3, 13:17:57
- *might* be best (n/m) (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Sep 3, 13:33:10
- It would only be better if she sells it to the right person. (NCFC) - strap_on sally, Sep 3, 13:26:09
- for what it's worth i think he would've passed the Smith & Jones 'right person' test (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Sep 3, 13:39:02
- Evans (NCFC) - Pompatus of Creosote, Sep 3, 14:33:29
- oh, i misremember Pickover's work of art then (n/m) (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Sep 3, 14:39:19
- It came to light after that, I think (n/m) (NCFC) - Pompatus of Creosote, Sep 3, 14:43:13
- oh, i misremember Pickover's work of art then (n/m) (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Sep 3, 14:39:19
- Evans (NCFC) - Pompatus of Creosote, Sep 3, 14:33:29
- for what it's worth i think he would've passed the Smith & Jones 'right person' test (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Sep 3, 13:39:02
- I very much agree OG (NCFC) - Jim, Sep 3, 13:13:51
- Fantastic post. (n/m) (NCFC) - Old Man, Sep 3, 12:42:35
- YAY! This is exactly how I feel! Thank you for expressing it so well. (n/m) (NCFC) - Bravo win or die, Sep 3, 12:39:32
- VMT (n/m) (NCFC) - trianglepatch, Sep 3, 12:28:51
- But isn’t the critical point in that ... (NCFC) - Old Git, Sep 3, 13:05:30
- List of similar sized clubs or bigger doing the same or worse (NCFC) - Charles21, Sep 3, 12:17:55
- Coventry and Charlton good examples (n/m) (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Sep 3, 12:21:13
- And prem title winners Blackburn (n/m) (NCFC) - Dracula, Sep 3, 12:35:21
- Blackburn now back above us of course and just paid £7m for a striker plus (NCFC) - Jim, Sep 3, 13:04:38
- So the fact they are on the way back up means..... (NCFC) - Charles21, Sep 3, 16:20:21
- No not envious of them but they are a club who are often cited as (NCFC) - Jim, Sep 3, 16:35:59
- then you should be delighted with being able to tell the grandkids about our play off win? (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Sep 3, 17:54:09
- Yes, great memories although both only happened because we (NCFC) - Jim, Sep 3, 18:01:49
- then you should be delighted with being able to tell the grandkids about our play off win? (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Sep 3, 17:54:09
- No not envious of them but they are a club who are often cited as (NCFC) - Jim, Sep 3, 16:35:59
- So the fact they are on the way back up means..... (NCFC) - Charles21, Sep 3, 16:20:21
- Blackburn now back above us of course and just paid £7m for a striker plus (NCFC) - Jim, Sep 3, 13:04:38
- And prem title winners Blackburn (n/m) (NCFC) - Dracula, Sep 3, 12:35:21
- Coventry and Charlton good examples (n/m) (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Sep 3, 12:21:13
- Should’t We be more like Derby? ROFL how many years in the PL have they had recently? (n/m) (NCFC) - trianglepatch, Sep 3, 11:46:57
- Good song that (NCFC) - Bungle, Sep 3, 11:42:17
- You cannot compare football now to what it was when we were a little bit successful. (NCFC) - BINMEN8R, Sep 3, 11:42:08
- I am going to challenge you on one of those points... (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Sep 3, 12:18:51
- However (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Sep 3, 12:27:34
- Fair enough...maybe 'one off' would be better terminology. Because I can't see that (NCFC) - BINMEN8R, Sep 3, 12:23:03
- Yeah the result is very unlikely to happen again, but just give them their creds for (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Sep 3, 12:29:00
- I am going to challenge you on one of those points... (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Sep 3, 12:18:51
- You've done it again! Sneering at 10,000 fans (NCFC) - norway, Sep 3, 11:28:20
- “Many of whom just go for the experience.” (NCFC) - APB, Sep 3, 11:25:34
- I read that and were wondering what other reasons there were for going? Maybe TBF goes in (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Sep 3, 12:31:01
- You should go to see whether the product you've bought is "acceptable" (n/m) (NCFC) - paulg, Sep 3, 12:47:19
- were = was. I am not from Yorkshire (n/m) (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Sep 3, 12:31:20
- “Were” is correct. Reasons is a plural word. (n/m) (NCFC) - APB, Sep 3, 13:28:44
- I were wondering ..? (n/m) (NCFC) - paulg, Sep 3, 13:34:45
- Ah yes. Wrong were. (n/m) (NCFC) - APB, Sep 3, 17:06:23
- ^^^ this. Ah were wunderun ;) (n/m) (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Sep 3, 15:06:24
- I were wondering ..? (n/m) (NCFC) - paulg, Sep 3, 13:34:45
- “Were” is correct. Reasons is a plural word. (n/m) (NCFC) - APB, Sep 3, 13:28:44
- I read that and were wondering what other reasons there were for going? Maybe TBF goes in (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Sep 3, 12:31:01
- What exactly is it you want? (NCFC) - Azteca, Sep 3, 11:23:20
- He wants attention, stop giving it to him everyone please. (n/m) (NCFC) - strap_on sally, Sep 3, 11:27:03
- Big Feller is intelligent, articulate and well informed (NCFC) - Old Git, Sep 3, 11:37:14
- I do too. It's well thought out, informative, and usually (NCFC) - SeattleSounders, Sep 3, 13:22:46
- It’s too contrived (NCFC) - camcan, Sep 3, 12:08:47
- Heck! It’s not even always well-written. (NCFC) - APB, Sep 3, 17:14:01
- Passion is good but erudition is good too! (NCFC) - Old Git, Sep 3, 13:07:15
- They’re not mutually exclusive (NCFC) - camcan, Sep 3, 13:17:51
- The problem here is some people believe that the issue is content (NCFC) - norway, Sep 3, 14:26:17
- VMT (n/m) (NCFC) - avenging canary, Sep 3, 17:34:13
- Quite. (n/m) (NCFC) - APB, Sep 3, 17:08:33
- Absolutely! This morning I feel I've been got at for being a fan who enjoys the experience (NCFC) - Bravo win or die, Sep 3, 15:14:12
- I go with my son. He's 11. (NCFC) - norway, Sep 3, 15:35:15
- Nailed. (n/m) (NCFC) - avenging canary, Sep 3, 13:59:12
- The problem here is some people believe that the issue is content (NCFC) - norway, Sep 3, 14:26:17
- They’re not mutually exclusive (NCFC) - camcan, Sep 3, 13:17:51
- Among the 10,000 citizen journey, there are many who write shit for the experience. (n/m) (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Sep 3, 12:32:56
- journos... (n/m) (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Sep 3, 12:33:07
- Spot on. (n/m) (NCFC) - Yellalee, Sep 3, 12:19:17
- and an attention seeker. (n/m) (NCFC) - strap_on sally, Sep 3, 11:38:05
- Typical WOTB reply (NCFC) - ghostof barry butler, Sep 3, 11:33:45
- Fuck off GOBB (n/m) (NCFC) - strap_on sally, Sep 3, 11:34:58
- There it is (NCFC) - ghostof barry butler, Sep 3, 11:40:39
- All we need now for a full house is USA,SCC and Pants to wade in on this thread (n/m) (NCFC) - strap_on sally, Sep 3, 11:42:25
- Lol (n/m) (NCFC) - ghostof barry butler, Sep 3, 11:45:20
- All we need now for a full house is USA,SCC and Pants to wade in on this thread (n/m) (NCFC) - strap_on sally, Sep 3, 11:42:25
- There it is (NCFC) - ghostof barry butler, Sep 3, 11:40:39
- Fuck off GOBB (n/m) (NCFC) - strap_on sally, Sep 3, 11:34:58
- If we’d won yesterday... (n/m) (NCFC) - APB, Sep 3, 11:27:31
- Big Feller is intelligent, articulate and well informed (NCFC) - Old Git, Sep 3, 11:37:14
- Likes, retweets, praise, affirmation, applause, gratitude. (n/m) (NCFC) - norway, Sep 3, 11:26:55
- He wants attention, stop giving it to him everyone please. (n/m) (NCFC) - strap_on sally, Sep 3, 11:27:03
- Thats really my point, you will often see the "post Cardiff brigade" referred to (NCFC) - Jim, Sep 3, 11:22:13
- this something i tried to explain many years ago (NCFC) - ghostof barry butler, Sep 3, 11:30:09
- Too many words (n/m) (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Sep 3, 11:09:33
- Far, far too many (NCFC) - paulg, Sep 3, 11:27:14
- Agreed (NCFC) - strap_on sally, Sep 3, 11:16:41
- put simply: he wants Frank Lampard to be our manager (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Sep 3, 11:14:33
- I have friends who are Derby fans. (NCFC) - norway, Sep 3, 11:21:31
- Too much supposition. (n/m) (NCFC) - Garry Brooke, Sep 3, 11:13:52
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