exactly this
I know there is a school of thought that it is too early to play the blame game and that some are sensitive to criticism of government (to which, I just say this: User Posted Link
And in deference to Tombs I will refrain from a long polemic on the subject. I'll just provide an example of what frames my views on this:
For my sins I have spent a couple of years at an outsourcer drafting big long term FM contracts. Post 2007. The era of austerity. (But this applies both across central govt applying rigid spending cuts, local authorities eking out diminishing budgets, and private sector clients chasing profits.) You'd sign a long term contract, lets say 5 years. Your capital & maintenance budgets would be fixed at year 1 levels. The client would then want year-on-year savings - let's be conservative and say 3%. So by year 5 you've had to absorb inflation and take 15% off the spend. So in real terms your spend is down maybe 20-25%.
There are only 3 ways to cut costs like that: reduce quality, reduce service levels, or reduce staff. To be honest, it's all 3. So you extend a maintenance cycle here, defer a capital upgrade there, you take an item off a checklist or two, you check 30% of the estate each year instead of 50%. etc etc. Individually inconsequential changes, all justifiable in themselves. But suddenly after 5 years you've got an estate that's a bit more tired than in year one, things stay broken that little bit longer, equipment is a bit older than you'd like it to be. You've got few less people to check things/respond. Your people are probably just that little bit busier. You probably haven't replaced that 30 year career man (or if you have, it's now a minimum wage school leaver) And all of a sudden a system that had a lot of spare capacity and redundancy (what you might have identified to the client as 'waste' or 'efficiency savings') now doesn't. You might even be at a point where you can say it's at breaking point.
And that, in a nutshell, is what we have every where through the system. You can't cut and cut and cut without, at some point, cutting the golden thread that keeps it all hanging together.
So back to Grenfell. There is not going to be a single person or thing that can be pointed to that we we can blame. The cladding may have contributed. The lack of sprinklers will be pointed to. The poor sod that didn't spot the locked dry risers will get sacked. The middle manager that didn't get around to authorising the boxing in of the gas pipes will find his promotion prospects disappearing. Some 999 call handlers will get counselling when/if it's determined that all of the 'stay put' advice wasn't appropriate for this particular building/circumstances. Some ministers will be criticised for delaying reviews. The Building Regs might get some attention.
But none of these individual points of failure are really to blame. It's much, much bigger than that. And there are some deep, deep questions to be asked - can we afford to be safer? Do we just have to accept the status quo? After all, this is only the second such incident affecting tower blocks in 10 years out of the 4000 odd that we have. Is that an acceptable rate of failure?
But none of that will really be thought about as some scapegoats will be found, a few band aids applied, and attention will be deflected for long enough for the news cycle to move onto the next event. After all, none of us wants to pay more tax or pay higher prices.
(Sorry, I guess the polemic happened anyway)
Posted By: CWC on June 15th 2017 at 22:39:27
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- Boris (when mayor) when challenged on fire service cuts (watch to end) (General Chat) - jampersands, Jun 15, 21:33:40
- Was the fire service to blame for this fire then? (n/m) (General Chat) - Charles21, Jun 15, 22:40:59
- boom shakalaka.... (General Chat) - usacanary, Jun 15, 22:19:30
- no tar (General Chat) - Tombs, Jun 15, 21:38:27
- There will, I think, need to be all kinds of conversations about what Grenfell means (General Chat) - jampersands, Jun 15, 21:40:45
- One way or another (General Chat) - norway, Jun 15, 21:51:51
- exactly this (General Chat) - CWC, Jun 15, 22:39:27
- so, so much this. (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Jun 15, 23:21:45
- Course we should make buildings safer and (General Chat) - Jim, Jun 15, 23:05:19
- the cladding that was originally given planning permission for was more expensive (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Jun 15, 23:33:23
- To be clear I meant there has been too much austerity not that discussion on it has (General Chat) - Jim, Jun 15, 23:06:15
- I'd just read this, then came on here and read your and Norway's posts (General Chat) - Bravo win or die, Jun 15, 23:03:27
- jeebers (General Chat) - Tombs, Jun 15, 22:50:41
- link fail - this one: (General Chat) - CWC, Jun 15, 22:41:11
- I don't think it will though Norway! (General Chat) - Men without hats, Jun 15, 22:26:01
- Or alternatively (General Chat) - Jim, Jun 15, 22:14:03
- There isn't a single mistake that happens at Carrow Road (General Chat) - norway, Jun 16, 00:10:22
- Where have I said "nothing to see here?" (General Chat) - Jim, Jun 16, 06:12:48
- You know precisely what I mean. (n/m) (General Chat) - norway, Jun 16, 06:51:01
- Where have I said "nothing to see here?" (General Chat) - Jim, Jun 16, 06:12:48
- Tragedy even! (n/m) (General Chat) - Jim, Jun 15, 22:14:28
- There isn't a single mistake that happens at Carrow Road (General Chat) - norway, Jun 16, 00:10:22
- The shambles that is our social housing programme over the last 50 has much to answer for. (n/m) (General Chat) - avenging canary, Jun 15, 21:56:57
- Last 50? Didn't it really become a shambles when we started selling it all off? (General Chat) - jampersands, Jun 15, 21:59:13
- VMT (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Jun 15, 21:56:12
- That's quite powerful (General Chat) - jampersands, Jun 15, 21:56:07
- Absolutely (General Chat) - norway, Jun 15, 21:58:22
- Amazing what a difference 5 years can make to a country (General Chat) - SCC 28, Jun 15, 22:02:07
- Nauseating article (General Chat) - paulg, Jun 15, 22:31:05
- I think the things that led to this were more than 5 years in the making (General Chat) - jampersands, Jun 15, 22:05:50
- Amazing what a difference 5 years can make to a country (General Chat) - SCC 28, Jun 15, 22:02:07
- Absolutely (General Chat) - norway, Jun 15, 21:58:22
- exactly this (General Chat) - CWC, Jun 15, 22:39:27
- Indeed yes and this forum is precisely the right vehicle to sort it all out (General Chat) - Tombs, Jun 15, 21:44:50
- Can you take a break from telling everyone what to do for a bit now? (General Chat) - norway, Jun 15, 21:53:34
- See, I actually agree with old Tomby to a certain extent here. (General Chat) - Garry Brooke, Jun 15, 22:11:50
- Why is twitter any better a place to do it than here? (n/m) (General Chat) - Charles21, Jun 15, 23:11:20
- That's the most lucid and coherent thing you've ever posted. (General Chat) - tudders, Jun 15, 22:52:09
- I got the cat to write it. (n/m) (General Chat) - Garry Brooke, Jun 15, 22:59:26
- With your cock? (n/m) (General Chat) - tudders, Jun 15, 23:47:32
- No, with hers. (n/m) (General Chat) - Garry Brooke, Jun 16, 00:14:50
- With your cock? (n/m) (General Chat) - tudders, Jun 15, 23:47:32
- I got the cat to write it. (n/m) (General Chat) - Garry Brooke, Jun 15, 22:59:26
- Sorry, you're probably right (General Chat) - jampersands, Jun 15, 22:17:25
- I'm not saying we should or shouldn't. (General Chat) - Garry Brooke, Jun 15, 22:19:56
- I'm not old (General Chat) - Tombs, Jun 15, 22:13:24
- I'll make you feel young again. (General Chat) - Garry Brooke, Jun 15, 22:15:50
- oh mate (General Chat) - Tombs, Jun 15, 22:16:55
- When Garrry says 'young'.... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Jun 15, 22:19:41
- oh mate (General Chat) - Tombs, Jun 15, 22:16:55
- I'll make you feel young again. (General Chat) - Garry Brooke, Jun 15, 22:15:50
- wow, now that is rich from the self appointed board police commisioner (General Chat) - Tombs, Jun 15, 22:05:35
- Yep, that's precisely the response I expected. (General Chat) - norway, Jun 15, 22:08:13
- Sad thing is, your point was a cheap shot (General Chat) - Tombs, Jun 15, 22:11:44
- Yep, that's precisely the response I expected. (General Chat) - norway, Jun 15, 22:08:13
- See, I actually agree with old Tomby to a certain extent here. (General Chat) - Garry Brooke, Jun 15, 22:11:50
- Oh, ok. Sorry. (n/m) (General Chat) - jampersands, Jun 15, 21:45:56
- Can you take a break from telling everyone what to do for a bit now? (General Chat) - norway, Jun 15, 21:53:34
- One way or another (General Chat) - norway, Jun 15, 21:51:51
- There will, I think, need to be all kinds of conversations about what Grenfell means (General Chat) - jampersands, Jun 15, 21:40:45
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