I suspect it's very simple

even if there was evidence to show an unreasonable size crowd engaging in unreasonable levels of pushing etc (I haven't sat through the evidence so I don't know what the actual situation was, vis-a-vis 27 years of anecdotal opinion).

...it didn't contribute to the tragedy because it would all have been handled perfectly adequately if all of the other f**k ups hadn't happened.

You can't blame the crowd just because they were there. That's rather the point of having police, turnstiles, contingency plans etc etc - to deal with large crowds.

If your house burns down because the fire brigade didn't turn up and you lose all of your possessions, is it your fault for having possessions that were combustible?

(Really poor analogy but I am really struggling to make this simple)

Posted By: CWC on April 26th 2016 at 20:28:01

Message Thread

Justice, unlawful, truth, cover ups (NCFC) - hoolahan, Apr 26, 19:22:25
- So hang on.... Some posters can call it an accident? (NCFC) - hoolahan, Apr 26, 21:33:52
  - The issue is the cover up rather than the actions on the day (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Apr 26, 21:51:33
    - They have a history of lies and cover ups (NCFC) - South_West_Canary, Apr 26, 21:56:11
  - You are accidentally a cunt. It's not your fault (n/m) (NCFC) - tudders, Apr 26, 21:50:15
  - You're a twat tho (n/m) (NCFC) - Dandy Highburyman, Apr 26, 21:35:40
- Although the incident itself was an accident (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Apr 26, 20:28:42
  - No, it wasn't an accident in any way. this is REALLY IMPORTANT. (NCFC) - norway, Apr 26, 20:37:35
    - Take it easy. See below (n/m) (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Apr 26, 21:24:31
      - Yep. (n/m) (NCFC) - norway, Apr 26, 21:26:00
    - I always wonder about the rationale of putting the Liverpool fans in the smaller pens. (NCFC) - APB, Apr 26, 21:10:31
      - From recollection it was because of route/journey to the ground. (n/m) (NCFC) - norway, Apr 26, 21:14:59
        
        Was Leppings lane normally the home or away end for Wednesday? (n/m) (NCFC) - avenging canary, Apr 26, 21:24:12
        
        Away (n/m) (NCFC) - norway, Apr 26, 21:26:23
        
        Thanks. (NCFC) - avenging canary, Apr 26, 21:35:27
        
        Think we were first semi there after 89 when we played Sunderland (n/m) (NCFC) - South_West_Canary, Apr 26, 21:40:50
        
        Oh yeah, I was at that too... (NCFC) - Dandy Highburyman, Apr 26, 21:41:56
        
        I went when we were promoted despite losing... (NCFC) - Dandy Highburyman, Apr 26, 21:38:58
        
        Yes, that was the reason although I'm sure the previous season (NCFC) - South_West_Canary, Apr 26, 21:22:38
        
        No, got that wrong. same ends (NCFC) - South_West_Canary, Apr 26, 21:26:35
    - Well it was an accident, in the normal sense of the word (NCFC) - Old Git, Apr 26, 21:07:17
      - Semantics. (NCFC) - norway, Apr 26, 21:14:05
  - An accident doesn't sound quite right.... (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Apr 26, 20:30:25
    - Something can be an accident and still be someone's fault (NCFC) - Old Git, Apr 26, 21:30:24
      - Good. It still doesn't sound quite how I meant it to though (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Apr 26, 21:49:24
    - 👍 (n/m) (NCFC) - norway, Apr 26, 21:15:36
- FAO hoolahan: shove this... (NCFC) - atlcanary, Apr 26, 20:25:36
  - I had to stop... Just heartbreaking. (n/m) (NCFC) - yellowman, Apr 26, 20:47:37
    - This is even tougher to read (NCFC) - atlcanary, Apr 26, 21:15:13
- I don't post much on here (NCFC) - atlcanary, Apr 26, 20:21:29
  - Wow, nail on head. (n/m) (NCFC) - Yellalee, Apr 26, 20:56:47
  - David Conn's coverage has been brilliant. (NCFC) - avenging canary, Apr 26, 20:27:06
  - Great post, you should post more often (n/m) (NCFC) - Jumbo1, Apr 26, 20:25:04
    - agreed (NCFC) - Worzel Scrimmage, Apr 26, 20:34:45
  - David Conn uses words of more than one syllable (NCFC) - norway, Apr 26, 20:23:37
- What are you suggesting should be celebrated in the 28th year? (NCFC) - tudders, Apr 26, 20:15:20
- Fucking hell... Move on!! (NCFC) - hoolahan, Apr 26, 20:01:13
  - Go fuck yourself. (n/m) (NCFC) - norway, Apr 26, 20:14:18
  - I'm sure they take comfort in the fact that there were contributing factors that... (NCFC) - I Am Hoot, Apr 26, 20:07:26
    - You are magnificently reasonable (NCFC) - norway, Apr 26, 20:16:05
      - I must admit, (NCFC) - I Am Hoot, Apr 26, 20:20:30
- What I can't understand is that when the police, ambulance service, Sheffield (NCFC) - dennis moore, Apr 26, 20:00:36
  - I suspect it's very simple (NCFC) - CWC, Apr 26, 20:28:01
    - If the evidence of the turnstile operative I posted earlier is anything (NCFC) - dennis moore, Apr 26, 20:34:16
      - Channeling people into one area is the reason people began panicking... (NCFC) - Dandy Highburyman, Apr 26, 20:42:41
  - Two years of evidence, jury decision. Your problem, frankly. (n/m) (NCFC) - norway, Apr 26, 20:13:28
    - Fortunately it's not my 'problem'. Nobody seems to have addressed the question (NCFC) - dennis moore, Apr 26, 20:28:30
      - What precipitated the crush? (NCFC) - norway, Apr 26, 20:39:09
      - I'm sure that would have been covered in the enquiry, (NCFC) - I Am Hoot, Apr 26, 20:36:31
      - Too many people being in too small a space? (n/m) (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Apr 26, 20:32:38
        
        Surely that cannot apply outside the ground? It can only happen because (NCFC) - dennis moore, Apr 26, 20:36:35
- Oh no, (NCFC) - I Am Hoot, Apr 26, 19:45:02
- Why even post something like that? (n/m) (NCFC) - Yellalee, Apr 26, 19:40:18
  - Because he's a brain dead fuckwit, as we already knew (n/m) (NCFC) - CB41, Apr 26, 19:52:50
- I've said all along he's a cunt. Perhaps now people believe me (n/m) (NCFC) - Boris, Apr 26, 19:39:48
  - odd isn't it (NCFC) - earthleakage, Apr 26, 19:47:00
- Ah (n/m) (NCFC) - Tony Martin, Apr 26, 19:39:15
- Just when you think HE can't sink any lower he becomes a subterranean CUNT (n/m) (NCFC) - admckechnie, Apr 26, 19:38:29
- Oy gevalt (n/m) (NCFC) - Old Man, Apr 26, 19:36:13
- Do you understand *anything* about the inquiry? (NCFC) - norway, Apr 26, 19:32:25
- You f***ing idiot (n/m) (NCFC) - Mark Barham, Apr 26, 19:31:39
- Oh no (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Apr 26, 19:29:26
- I was starting to worry (NCFC) - norway, Apr 26, 19:28:51
  - I thought hoolahan had peaked the other day but he has just lifted the bar (n/m) (NCFC) - strap_on sally, Apr 26, 19:32:56
    - Stupidity or trolling? (NCFC) - norway, Apr 26, 19:33:37
      - Stupidity (n/m) (NCFC) - strap_on sally, Apr 26, 19:34:06
- you wouldn't say that if one of your kids had died (NCFC) - Worzel Scrimmage, Apr 26, 19:24:27
  - I think I would after 27 years!! (n/m) (NCFC) - hoolahan, Apr 26, 19:30:36
    - Incredible....I suppose..... (NCFC) - yellowman, Apr 26, 20:17:43
    - I can't believe you said that. Terrible thing to say. (NCFC) - Pit, Apr 26, 20:17:15
    - Total cunt. You thick fucking cunt. (n/m) (NCFC) - norway, Apr 26, 19:33:07
    - don't be so fucking stupid ffs (n/m) (NCFC) - Worzel Scrimmage, Apr 26, 19:32:37
    - Clearly written by a man with no children.... (NCFC) - Mark Barham, Apr 26, 19:32:29
      - I feel embarassed on his behalf. Honestly (NCFC) - Worzel Scrimmage, Apr 26, 19:35:44

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