As a copper from 1990-96 who was firearms trained and authorised
I would just like to say this.
Imagine the immense pressure the Met was under when 50 odd innocents had been murdered by suicide bombers just a couple of weeks beforehand. Pressure, whether direct or indirect is still pressure and as a force they were under huge pressure.
Yes the intelligence was s**t and yes the surveillance wasn't up to much either, but no plod went out onto the street that day with the intention of killing anyone.
For whatever reason, the 'trigger man' perceived an immediate danger either to himself, his colleagues and the public, or a combination of all three and in such a situation, you invariably have no more than split second in which to decide whether or not to fir your weapon.
As OG quite rightly says below, if confronted with a potential suicide bomber, you probably do have to fire first and ask questions later. If you don't and people get killed as a result, there is a whole other s**t storm waiting to fall on you.
What is unforgivable is the lies and the cover up. They f**ked up that day and they should have manned up and said so, both individually and as a force, but lets not lose sight of the fact that these guys and girls have a fiendishly difficult job to do in trying to keep us all safe and sometimes, like all human beings, they get it very wrong. Thankfully its rare, but once is too often.
Posted By: Kirrie on July 22nd 2015 at 14:40:13
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- 10 years since Jean Charles de Menezes was murdered by police for no reason (General Chat) - Brandonio, Jul 22, 13:33:03
- He clearly wasn?t killed for no reason. (General Chat) - norway, Jul 22, 15:11:37
- I never said anybody was still lying (n/m) (General Chat) - Brandonio, Jul 22, 15:32:23
- Yep, fair enough. (n/m) (General Chat) - norway, Jul 22, 16:06:12
- thinking you have a reason to kill someone (which is debatable anyway) (General Chat) - Brandonio, Jul 22, 15:22:11
- Yep, they are different (General Chat) - norway, Jul 22, 16:05:30
- I never said anybody was still lying (n/m) (General Chat) - Brandonio, Jul 22, 15:32:23
- As a copper from 1990-96 who was firearms trained and authorised (General Chat) - Kirrie, Jul 22, 14:40:13
- Can I ask a question? (General Chat) - Hertz van Rental, Jul 22, 15:08:39
- Was'nt in the Met, so I can't answer for their culture..... (General Chat) - Kirrie, Jul 22, 15:45:39
- Interesting, thanks (n/m) (General Chat) - Hertz van Rental, Jul 22, 15:50:24
- Was'nt in the Met, so I can't answer for their culture..... (General Chat) - Kirrie, Jul 22, 15:45:39
- 100% this (n/m) (General Chat) - Tony Martin, Jul 22, 14:58:26
- Can I ask a question? (General Chat) - Hertz van Rental, Jul 22, 15:08:39
- Amazing how many people still think he hurdled the barrier and had a thick coat on (n/m) (General Chat) - Hertz van Rental, Jul 22, 13:40:24
- there was a reason (General Chat) - Jumbo1, Jul 22, 13:37:06
- all based on one of them noting that he had had "Mongolian eyes" (General Chat) - Brandonio, Jul 22, 13:39:46
- Was he not running away from the police too? (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Jul 22, 13:40:28
- This is the sad thing for me, people still believe the original story (General Chat) - Brandonio, Jul 22, 13:43:01
- I read that he was being followed by the police for some time previously (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Jul 22, 13:50:52
- The truth has come out (General Chat) - Brandonio, Jul 22, 13:55:22
- Bit disingenuous, that (General Chat) - norway, Jul 22, 15:12:54
- some of the truth has come out (n/m) (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Jul 22, 14:03:47
- The truth has come out (General Chat) - Brandonio, Jul 22, 13:55:22
- Bloody hell (General Chat) - Old Git, Jul 22, 13:49:26
- Yeah people make mistakes, that was a pretty big one though (General Chat) - Brandonio, Jul 22, 13:51:26
- Shoot first ask questions later is no excuse though (General Chat) - pants, Jul 22, 13:51:24
- Shoot first questions later is pretty standard protocol for dealing with a suicide bomber (General Chat) - Old Git, Jul 22, 13:54:15
- Is the disgusting cover up protocol as well? (n/m) (General Chat) - pants, Jul 22, 13:58:51
- However, shoot first, questions later, campaign of lies once the answers prove uncomfortab (General Chat) - Arizona Bay, Jul 22, 13:57:50
- Sure (General Chat) - Old Git, Jul 22, 14:08:10
- I stand by the fact there was no reason to kill him (n/m) (General Chat) - Brandonio, Jul 22, 14:13:20
- The surveillance was pretty slapdash wasn't it? The officer that identified him as a (General Chat) - Adster, Jul 22, 14:23:27
- What's wrong with this, is if it wasn't a busy transport terminal with witnesses (General Chat) - pants, Jul 22, 14:30:48
- The surveillance was pretty slapdash wasn't it? The officer that identified him as a (General Chat) - Adster, Jul 22, 14:23:27
- I stand by the fact there was no reason to kill him (n/m) (General Chat) - Brandonio, Jul 22, 14:13:20
- COMMAGEDDON (n/m) (General Chat) - Hertz van Rental, Jul 22, 13:58:19
- Sure (General Chat) - Old Git, Jul 22, 14:08:10
- Shoot first questions later is pretty standard protocol for dealing with a suicide bomber (General Chat) - Old Git, Jul 22, 13:54:15
- But they told loads of lies about it to try and absolve themselves of any blame (n/m) (General Chat) - Adster, Jul 22, 13:51:01
- I can understand the pressure they were under, but the cover up is sickening (n/m) (General Chat) - Hertz van Rental, Jul 22, 13:50:21
- Photo shopping his image to manipulate it so he 'looked' like a previous terrorist (General Chat) - pants, Jul 22, 13:53:57
- I read that he was being followed by the police for some time previously (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Jul 22, 13:50:52
- No, this was a lie (n/m) (General Chat) - Hertz van Rental, Jul 22, 13:40:38
- Ran to the train I think (General Chat) - SCC 28, Jul 22, 13:45:32
- Mm. Ran the last few feet to jump on the train. Poor sod (n/m) (General Chat) - Hertz van Rental, Jul 22, 13:47:31
- Ran to the train I think (General Chat) - SCC 28, Jul 22, 13:45:32
- This is the sad thing for me, people still believe the original story (General Chat) - Brandonio, Jul 22, 13:43:01
- Was he not running away from the police too? (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Jul 22, 13:40:28
- all based on one of them noting that he had had "Mongolian eyes" (General Chat) - Brandonio, Jul 22, 13:39:46
- 10 years (General Chat) - Charles21, Jul 22, 13:36:13
- Standard rate of one day per day Chuckles. (n/m) (General Chat) - Arizona Bay, Jul 22, 13:39:16
- He clearly wasn?t killed for no reason. (General Chat) - norway, Jul 22, 15:11:37
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