Troiuble is I am very confident they don't even themselves out over 38 games

and no-one that I know of is denying Hughton a fair share of the blame.
But there are a lot of other factors (the nature and timing of the injuries to Tettey, Howson and Fer were terrible for example).
And I actually disagree with the argument that our style of football was terrible (by Prem standards, which has become a very safety first league). We have generally played far more entertaining football than, for example, Palace - whose manager is being touted for manager of the season - but if your players execute badly and you end up losing it LOOKS terrible through the prism of the result.

Posted By: mr carra on May 6th 2014 at 14:25:37

Message Thread

Fer's Disallowed goal V Cardiff (NCFC) - Ricochet Rabbit, May 6, 12:54:02
- No what if moments (NCFC) - inutero, May 6, 13:00:03
  - My 'what if moment'..... (NCFC) - Barclay_Steve, May 6, 13:55:00
    - In before Cheltenham_Canary tells you he would have missed it anyway (NCFC) - mrleelee, May 6, 13:58:56
      - like all of us Chelts can be annoying at times (NCFC) - mr carra, May 6, 14:01:02
  - but historically it hasn't been (NCFC) - mr carra, May 6, 13:22:21
    - agreed (NCFC) - Huge Small, May 6, 15:11:04
      - There's been a lot of pissing over in games, hasn't there? (NCFC) - Garry Brooke, May 6, 15:14:04
        
        Gary Neville was saying on Sky a few months ago (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, May 6, 15:16:20
        
        He's probably right. (NCFC) - Garry Brooke, May 6, 15:18:57
    - agree completely - the percentages that you gave the other day (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, May 6, 14:49:17
    - POTS (n/m) (NCFC) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, May 6, 14:46:23
    - Genuinely surprised at those stats (NCFC) - South_West_Canary, May 6, 14:10:59
      - What particularly is impressive about those stats? (NCFC) - norway, May 6, 14:18:49
        
        i said it gives a different perspective to the usual stuff trotted out on here (n/m) (NCFC) - South_West_Canary, May 6, 14:20:27
        
        Yes I know but *how* does it put a different perspective on it? (NCFC) - norway, May 6, 14:24:27
        
        You've picked on open-play goals (NCFC) - mr carra, May 6, 14:30:10
        
        It really doesn't suggest that at all. (NCFC) - norway, May 6, 14:50:02
        
        Lets try Shots on target then (NCFC) - mr carra, May 6, 14:59:11
        
        how about offsides? We had the lowest number (NCFC) - CWC, May 6, 15:22:42
        
        I reckon our attackers are too slow (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, May 6, 15:25:06
        
        isn't that our lack of pace (NCFC) - mr carra, May 6, 15:25:06
        
        Do you have the list for the whole division? (n/m) (NCFC) - norway, May 6, 15:03:58
        
        Yes (NCFC) - mr carra, May 6, 15:07:09
        
        on that website, under Norwich characteristics (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, May 6, 15:10:22
        
        poor defending down the wings (NCFC) - mr carra, May 6, 15:20:49
        
        We aren't - I have a theory (NCFC) - mr carra, May 6, 15:18:24
        
        that could be true (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, May 6, 15:29:11
        
        we got a bit forced into 4-4-2 by the Tettey/Howson injuries (n/m) (NCFC) - mr carra, May 6, 15:34:23
        
        Norwich style: "take long shots" (n/m) (NCFC) - norway, May 6, 15:12:01
        
        well exactly, not scored many of them either (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, May 6, 18:36:32
        
        shots per goal and goals per open play in comparison to those others detailed (n/m) (NCFC) - South_West_Canary, May 6, 14:29:40
        
        Those stats do not say that we are more attacking than we thought (NCFC) - norway, May 6, 14:51:48
        
        we are a lot more attacking than YOU continually make out (NCFC) - mr carra, May 6, 15:03:36
        
        I'm not particularly making out anything, continually or otherwise (NCFC) - norway, May 6, 15:06:07
        
        irony? (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, May 6, 15:12:40
        
        No, not really. (NCFC) - norway, May 6, 15:17:04
        
        irony again? (n/m) (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, May 6, 15:22:59
        
        Takes one to know one ;) (n/m) (NCFC) - norway, May 6, 15:26:45
        
        lol (n/m) (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, May 6, 15:29:23
        
        Fair enough, but I think (and statistics back me up) that we do (NCFC) - mr carra, May 6, 15:10:37
        
        I think (although we could go round in circles here) that stats show (NCFC) - norway, May 6, 15:15:21
        
        we are in the bottom half, yes (NCFC) - mr carra, May 6, 15:33:30
        
        Roger that - over and out ;) (n/m) (NCFC) - norway, May 6, 15:35:36
        
        Time for a breather? (NCFC) - mr carra, May 6, 15:38:22
        
        i think it shows we not as negative / defensive as frequently made out on here (n/m) (NCFC) - South_West_Canary, May 6, 14:54:03
        
        I know you do. (n/m) (NCFC) - norway, May 6, 14:57:12
        
        surely quality of chance is important? (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, May 6, 14:50:12
        
        yes, it is. (n/m) (NCFC) - South_West_Canary, May 6, 14:52:24
      - we were set up defensively last season (NCFC) - mr carra, May 6, 14:16:42
    - The same player has taken 90% of our free kicks this season (NCFC) - phrankin, May 6, 14:04:37
    - 41 goals last season wasn't a "ton". Both Wigan & Reading scored more and got relegated.. (n/m) (NCFC) - Vivid Data Shark, May 6, 13:42:52
      - I didn't say a goal total was a ton - I said our goals from set peices was (NCFC) - mr carra, May 6, 13:45:39
        
        Agreed, sorry I missread. Although the Newcastle team he had was akin to being the Celtic (NCFC) - Vivid Data Shark, May 6, 13:52:13
        
        It's still possible to be negative in that situation (NCFC) - mr carra, May 6, 13:55:12
        
        why did the set piece goals dry up... was it all down to Holt? (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, May 6, 14:01:05
        
        I presume other teams worked us out (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, May 6, 14:35:32
    - oh my god (NCFC) - Tombs, May 6, 13:35:00
      - Oh I don't know (NCFC) - duke of york, May 6, 13:42:13
        
        Well, scoring more goals from open play than Hull, Sunderland and Palace (NCFC) - norway, May 6, 14:16:59
        
        Also scoring 17 goals from set pieces last season (NCFC) - duke of york, May 6, 14:19:20
        
        we got 16 the year before too (NCFC) - mr carra, May 6, 14:33:58
        
        it's not about the stats themselves though (NCFC) - mr carra, May 6, 13:51:54
        
        Every team can point to on field examples of failure (NCFC) - norway, May 6, 14:09:29
        
        Troiuble is I am very confident they don't even themselves out over 38 games (NCFC) - mr carra, May 6, 14:25:37
        
        Palace have played with pace and confidence - they've been brilliant (NCFC) - norway, May 6, 14:26:52
        
        Absolutely agree (NCFC) - duke of york, May 6, 14:31:46
        
        they have 16 open play goals, we have 22 (NCFC) - mr carra, May 6, 14:36:21
        
        They've won 8 out of 16 gamkes since January! (n/m) (NCFC) - norway, May 6, 14:56:29
        
        by defending, keeping clean sheets and counter attacking (NCFC) - mr carra, May 6, 15:47:48

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