That would be his argument, agreed. But it fits very neatly with his thesis

ignore all the problems we have at the moment, and instead just accuse all the critics of having unrealistic expectations.

It's what he does over and over again. As I tried to draw out of him on Twitter - will he continue to say this if we do go down? (ie, that people who think we could have avoided it are basically unrealistic). He wasn't completely clear, but I think his answer will be yes.

Posted By: Tricky Hawes on January 7th 2014 at 18:58:01

Message Thread

Mick Dennis done some words... (NCFC) - loz, Jan 7, 17:27:51
- He has missed one of the biggest points (NCFC) - Larry Hagman, Jan 7, 19:35:44
  - It acts as a massive leveller for clubs like us. (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Jan 7, 19:44:53
    - how is it a leveller? (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Jan 7, 19:51:14
      - we are spending about the same as Villa (NCFC) - phrankin, Jan 7, 19:52:16
        
        they have an 18m signing out on loan (n/m) (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Jan 7, 19:54:49
    - Yep, and the limit on squad size helps too (n/m) (NCFC) - Larry Hagman, Jan 7, 19:48:34
- some food for thought there (NCFC) - Dirty Delia, Jan 7, 19:14:41
  - What is wrong with net spend? If you sell players. (NCFC) - phrankin, Jan 7, 19:29:57
    - in that case you have to take net spend over several years (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Jan 7, 19:34:23
      - Yes, net spend over a few years. we are about 13th over 5 years of prem clubs. (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Jan 7, 19:36:07
        
        exactly - and below us are teams like Arsenal, Everton and Spurs (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Jan 7, 19:38:34
        
        Exactly.... (NCFC) - phrankin, Jan 7, 19:39:24
        
        not sure what your point is (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Jan 7, 19:45:48
        
        That we are no better off then them (NCFC) - phrankin, Jan 7, 19:50:18
        
        so your definition of under-achieving is if (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Jan 7, 19:54:05
        
        bizarre, you categorise us in the same league as the recently promoted sides (NCFC) - phrankin, Jan 7, 19:59:34
    - Did you read it? (NCFC) - Huge Small, Jan 7, 19:32:57
      - I read it, I don't agree... (NCFC) - phrankin, Jan 7, 19:38:38
  - re him saying that looking at net spend in one transfer window is ridiculous (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Jan 7, 19:17:27
    - Still ridiculous though (NCFC) - Huge Small, Jan 7, 19:26:04
    - On his twitter he mentions players assimilating (NCFC) - phrankin, Jan 7, 19:18:49
- spot on. he should make a cd of the article being read (NCFC) - sotoncanary, Jan 7, 18:58:56
- Skirts around the key points though innit (NCFC) - Jim, Jan 7, 18:54:44
  - I think most of the complaints you have raised are due to your personal expectations (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Jan 7, 19:22:25
    - That may be the case and yes my (NCFC) - Jim, Jan 7, 19:29:14
      - I think all the teams in the bottom half are similar this season (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Jan 7, 19:41:17
        
        This is just not true. (NCFC) - phrankin, Jan 7, 19:43:32
        
        I don't want a complete sea change is style (NCFC) - Jim, Jan 7, 19:48:56
        
        Villa lol (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Jan 7, 19:47:13
        
        Agreed, Lambert is doing a bizarre job there, on similar funds to us. (NCFC) - phrankin, Jan 7, 19:51:46
        
        Southampton as well... although they aren't bottom half ;) (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Jan 7, 19:45:18
    - it's purely obvious tbf (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 7, 19:23:00
      - in your opinion (n/m) (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Jan 7, 19:23:45
  - vmt (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 7, 19:06:09
  - That is very well put, Jim. (n/m) (NCFC) - norway, Jan 7, 18:57:47
  - ^^^ this ^^^ (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Jan 7, 18:55:44
    - Everyone agrees he has made exceptional signings... (NCFC) - phrankin, Jan 7, 18:56:57
- That's a really good, well researched article (n/m) (NCFC) - South_West_Canary, Jan 7, 18:50:41
  - It's extremely one-sided (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Jan 7, 18:52:57
    - I don't really understand why he feels the need (NCFC) - norway, Jan 7, 18:56:55
      - I agree, I felt what he was saying was correct and........... (NCFC) - usacanary, Jan 7, 19:23:08
    - This is the guy who supported Worthington until the end. (NCFC) - phrankin, Jan 7, 18:55:05
    - because there was difference of opinion over the Palace / Sunderland results? (n/m) (NCFC) - South_West_Canary, Jan 7, 18:55:00
      - That would be his argument, agreed. But it fits very neatly with his thesis (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Jan 7, 18:58:01
        
        I've been there with him too (NCFC) - norway, Jan 7, 18:58:55
      - no-one can argue the Fulham result was decent... (NCFC) - phrankin, Jan 7, 18:55:51
- does he mention we could feasibly be in the drop zone after saturdays games? (NCFC) - phrankin, Jan 7, 18:47:10
  - or that he supported glenn roeder (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 7, 18:48:40
    - ww2 (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Jan 7, 18:49:04
- stopped reading after the title (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 7, 18:29:55
  - Why not read it and then comment (n/m) (NCFC) - Mozzer, Jan 7, 18:32:56
    - because it's so awful (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 7, 18:34:49
      - He's kept this piece fairly fact based - go on treat yourself (NCFC) - Mozzer, Jan 7, 18:38:25
        
        is the fact we're fucking awful to watch mentioned? (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 7, 18:41:35
        
        No. He does mention that we're unbeaten in 2014 (I'm not joking) (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Jan 7, 18:49:46
        
        That's an opinion - he's written about some financial facts (NCFC) - Mozzer, Jan 7, 18:46:42
        
        He's a muppet who has supported every manager in charge, even Roeder... (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Jan 7, 18:48:30
        
        Self confessed muppet (NCFC) - Jack Flash, Jan 7, 19:08:56
        
        Interesting. Does that mean you've thought every managerial change was wrong? (n/m) (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Jan 7, 19:11:22
        
        I think I agree with Jack Flash. (NCFC) - Arganth, Jan 7, 19:23:36
        
        even if you think they are doing a terrible job? (NCFC) - phrankin, Jan 7, 19:31:45
        
        It's my 'role' to support. It's the board's 'role' to deal with it. (NCFC) - Arganth, Jan 7, 19:38:56
        
        agree (NCFC) - Chris Peacock, Jan 7, 19:42:46
        
        superb (NCFC) - Tombs, Jan 7, 19:57:13
        
        But it is nice to see the basis of your views. (NCFC) - phrankin, Jan 7, 19:41:37
        
        Eh? The overall well-being of the club is greater than my opinion (NCFC) - Arganth, Jan 7, 19:49:48
        
        Yes a sheep, you have no view. (NCFC) - phrankin, Jan 7, 19:51:00
        
        of course he has a view. Did you not read when he said about (NCFC) - South_West_Canary, Jan 7, 19:58:27
        
        no he doesn't. I have never seen him crittize the managers decisions. (NCFC) - phrankin, Jan 7, 20:02:12
        
        I'll criticise when necessary. You've obviously chosen not to read that. (NCFC) - Arganth, Jan 7, 20:13:15
        
        Great work mate (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 7, 20:08:08
        
        LOL out loud (n/m) (NCFC) - Chris Peacock, Jan 7, 20:19:42
        
        So he has a different outlook to you? That's alright isn't it? (NCFC) - South_West_Canary, Jan 7, 20:07:30
        
        It's a view based on zero thought (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 7, 20:10:17
        
        Lol. Dear Mr Pot...You're black. Love Mr Kettle. (NCFC) - Arganth, Jan 7, 20:17:22
        
        you base your view on faith. Like a religion. You are there to support not question. (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Jan 7, 20:21:33
        
        I'll question, but in a constructive way. (NCFC) - Arganth, Jan 7, 20:27:28
        
        I don;t make up anything. And I don't want Hughton Out. (NCFC) - phrankin, Jan 7, 20:29:15
        
        You don't? (NCFC) - Arganth, Jan 7, 20:33:54
        
        from your posts on WOTB (NCFC) - phrankin, Jan 7, 20:40:03
        
        Exactly (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 7, 20:24:04
        
        He even stated it earlier... he has no view. (NCFC) - phrankin, Jan 7, 20:28:19
        
        See? You don't even read it! You're almost as bad as the troll! (NCFC) - Arganth, Jan 7, 20:31:34
        
        Shhhhh. Adults are talking. (n/m) (NCFC) - Arganth, Jan 7, 20:28:18
        
        Supporting a failing manager is harming the club... (NCFC) - phrankin, Jan 7, 19:40:34
        
        agree (n/m) (NCFC) - Chris Peacock, Jan 7, 19:25:41
        
        i agree with crispy cock agreeing with arganth agreeing with jack flash (NCFC) - Tombs, Jan 7, 19:31:18
        
        all perfectly timed apparently (NCFC) - phrankin, Jan 7, 19:17:59
        
        money is destroying football (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 7, 18:48:18
        
        I entirely agree with you (NCFC) - Cardiff Canary, Jan 7, 18:56:00
        
        Premiership riches have certainly sanitised and sterilised the game (NCFC) - Mozzer, Jan 7, 18:51:07
- Good article - and I think he's right that (NCFC) - Mozzer, Jan 7, 18:17:47
  - yeah, I've said that for a while (n/m) (NCFC) - South_West_Canary, Jan 7, 18:52:59
- Pretty much spot on (n/m) (NCFC) - usacanary, Jan 7, 18:17:39
- Cannot argue with the facts (NCFC) - LowestoftBoy, Jan 7, 18:10:40
- Decent enough article in my view? (n/m) (NCFC) - admckechnie, Jan 7, 17:48:44
- You cant really argue with his logic (NCFC) - munchen, Jan 7, 17:42:32

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