The rigid 4-4-2 system of english football really restricted the development of these

players. Venables with his christmas tree formation was a bit more subtle and allowed gazza or Sheringham the space a number 10 would get now.

Posted By: Maillot Jaune on October 11th 2013 at 10:15:21

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Seems to be a suggestion that Wilshere will be left out tonight (Other Football) - Tricky Hawes, Oct 11, 09:43:41
- Won't Milner tuck in with Lampard and Gerrard? (Other Football) - norway, Oct 11, 10:11:14
  - No doubt (Other Football) - Tricky Hawes, Oct 11, 10:13:08
    - ooney will be the central fulcrum - closest to a number 10 really (n/m) (Other Football) - norway, Oct 11, 10:14:03
- Am I alone in genuinely not caring.. (Other Football) - loz, Oct 11, 10:01:26
  - I feel a little more enthused now that it looks like some of the biggest c**ts in the team (Other Football) - Maillot Jaune, Oct 11, 11:12:31
    - Would you fight and die for Norwich? (Other Football) - Tricky Hawes, Oct 11, 11:14:31
      - Well its about national pride I guess...supporting england football team being somewhere (Other Football) - Maillot Jaune, Oct 11, 11:20:55
        
        Bet your family and friends will be glad to hear that. (n/m) (Other Football) - CB41, Oct 11, 11:25:11
        
        If they can' run fast enough...well thats natural selection innit. Fuck 'em (n/m) (Other Football) - Maillot Jaune, Oct 11, 11:29:02
        
        not sure it's a pride thing (Other Football) - SCC 28, Oct 11, 11:24:25
        
        My son is Enlish/polish and born in switzerland...which identity does he get? (Other Football) - Maillot Jaune, Oct 11, 11:27:43
        
        should be where he grew up (n/m) (Other Football) - SCC 28, Oct 11, 11:29:12
        
        well he got lucky on the football front then I guess...according to your logic (Other Football) - Maillot Jaune, Oct 11, 11:32:07
    - Depends on the circumstances doesn't it? (Other Football) - duke of york, Oct 11, 11:14:18
      - He is around (Other Football) - CB41, Oct 11, 11:26:11
  - being a football fan means loving your club and country (Other Football) - SCC 28, Oct 11, 10:11:39
    - I love my club .. (Other Football) - loz, Oct 11, 11:53:22
      - Two slightly different statements, to be fair (Other Football) - norway, Oct 11, 11:57:37
        
        nit picking (n/m) (Other Football) - sotoncanary, Oct 11, 12:45:27
        
        See what you mean but not really... (Other Football) - loz, Oct 11, 12:07:33
        
        Agreed - I think most people do choose club over country (Other Football) - norway, Oct 11, 12:13:32
        
        I honestly won't... (Other Football) - loz, Oct 11, 12:23:01
        
        boom (n/m) (Other Football) - duke of york, Oct 11, 12:03:16
        
        vmt (n/m) (Other Football) - SCC 28, Oct 11, 12:00:18
    - yeah, that'll help SCC. (n/m) (Other Football) - Tricky Hawes, Oct 11, 10:12:01
      - He is Trollosaurus Rex (Other Football) - Old Git, Oct 11, 10:14:52
        
        and odious too (n/m) (Other Football) - CB41, Oct 11, 10:17:39
        
        don't forget deep seated (Other Football) - SCC 28, Oct 11, 10:19:44
        
        Wrong though. I'd have said spectacularly shallow. (n/m) (Other Football) - CB41, Oct 11, 10:24:58
        
        quite the opposite (n/m) (Other Football) - SCC 28, Oct 11, 10:27:08
        
        lol... bit harsh! (n/m) (Other Football) - norway, Oct 11, 10:18:21
        
        only if it's not true ;-) (n/m) (Other Football) - CB41, Oct 11, 10:21:01
        
        Ok, I think I'm missing something here (Other Football) - norway, Oct 11, 10:22:49
        
        Best left there probably (n/m) (Other Football) - CB41, Oct 11, 10:23:53
        
        ahem bantosaurus! (n/m) (Other Football) - SCC 28, Oct 11, 10:15:28
  - You're certainly not alone in asserting it (Other Football) - Tricky Hawes, Oct 11, 10:06:48
    - When we get to the Quarter finals next year everyone will be on board (Other Football) - strap_on sally, Oct 11, 10:20:39
      - Ha. Problem is, that's when we lose (Other Football) - Tricky Hawes, Oct 11, 10:37:10
  - Probably in the minority (Other Football) - duke of york, Oct 11, 10:02:19
    - Nope really couldn't care less... (Other Football) - loz, Oct 11, 10:05:18
      - what do the players have to do with it? (Other Football) - SCC 28, Oct 11, 10:13:18
        
        For me its about supporting your team/country through thick and thin (Other Football) - strap_on sally, Oct 11, 10:25:56
        
        Trouble is, since the 5-0 thrashing of Germany, it's been mainly rough (n/m) (Other Football) - CB41, Oct 11, 10:39:21
        
        Although, of course, in that game (Other Football) - duke of york, Oct 11, 10:53:20
        
        Our time will come (n/m) (Other Football) - strap_on sally, Oct 11, 10:47:36
        
        yep will be just like andy murray (n/m) (Other Football) - SCC 28, Oct 11, 10:52:57
        
        It does a bit, duntit? (Other Football) - Old Git, Oct 11, 10:16:29
        
        but you still wanted us to be successful (Other Football) - SCC 28, Oct 11, 10:19:18
        
        I guess it colours one's feelings though (Other Football) - Old Git, Oct 11, 10:26:51
        
        well yeah, but surely it didn't stop you supporting them and hoping, against all (Other Football) - CB41, Oct 11, 10:19:02
        
        Are you OK? (Other Football) - duke of york, Oct 11, 10:20:41
        
        Change of image (n/m) (Other Football) - CB41, Oct 11, 10:22:34
        
        It's never too late (n/m) (Other Football) - norway, Oct 11, 10:23:29
        
        Indeed, time's running out (n/m) (Other Football) - CB41, Oct 11, 10:25:41
        
        exactly (n/m) (Other Football) - SCC 28, Oct 11, 10:20:02
- Ross Barkley is a number 10 for Everton (Other Football) - duke of york, Oct 11, 09:48:29
- Gazza yes (Other Football) - Old Git, Oct 11, 09:46:50
  - Yes, fair point re Scholes (Other Football) - Tricky Hawes, Oct 11, 09:50:40
    - He also retired from international football at about 29/30? (n/m) (Other Football) - duke of york, Oct 11, 09:51:42
- You could certainly blame him for leaving Wilshere out (Other Football) - duke of york, Oct 11, 09:44:52
  - Not really he is said to be unwell... (Other Football) - loz, Oct 11, 10:02:41
    - You care enough to know more than I do... (n/m) (Other Football) - duke of york, Oct 11, 10:03:05
      - ROLF (n/m) (Other Football) - SCC 28, Oct 11, 10:13:53
      - Well I read the papers yes (n/m) (Other Football) - loz, Oct 11, 10:05:53
        
        an article about england (Other Football) - SCC 28, Oct 11, 10:14:34
        
        Read about them in the papers, post about them on message boards (Other Football) - norway, Oct 11, 10:13:05
        
        But you are not a horse racing fan... (Other Football) - loz, Oct 11, 12:09:40
        
        ok, but I think the analogy is sound (Other Football) - norway, Oct 11, 12:14:40
  - but Wilshere has been pretty sh*t all season (Other Football) - mr carra, Oct 11, 10:02:32
  - Yeah, but Wilshere isn't that player really, even though we all wish he was (Other Football) - Tricky Hawes, Oct 11, 09:52:36
    - Barkley is more of a strong runner (Other Football) - duke of york, Oct 11, 09:55:21
      - I think that's a bit harsh on Gazza (Other Football) - Tricky Hawes, Oct 11, 09:58:24
        
        The rigid 4-4-2 system of english football really restricted the development of these (Other Football) - Maillot Jaune, Oct 11, 10:15:21
        
        Interesting (Other Football) - Tricky Hawes, Oct 11, 10:17:26
        
        Le Tissier could easily have been a withdrawn striker (Other Football) - norway, Oct 11, 10:20:09
        
        Point about 4-4-2 - as we used to play it - was that there was no role for a withdrawn (Other Football) - Tricky Hawes, Oct 11, 10:31:59
        
        Big man / little man (Other Football) - duke of york, Oct 11, 10:36:09
        
        Graham Taylor was one of the biggest step backwards in British Football (Other Football) - Maillot Jaune, Oct 11, 10:50:09
        
        It was such a shame Glenn Hoddle opened his mouth and got the sack (Other Football) - strap_on sally, Oct 11, 10:53:16
        
        I don't think the fundamental problem has been England managers (Other Football) - Tricky Hawes, Oct 11, 10:57:57
        
        Surely should be different now (Other Football) - duke of york, Oct 11, 11:01:06
        
        *quantity*, I meant. (n/m) (Other Football) - Tricky Hawes, Oct 11, 10:58:21
        
        I was wondering how much wasted talent there must be in the Inner cities (Other Football) - strap_on sally, Oct 11, 11:02:42
        
        Unfit and lazy (Other Football) - duke of york, Oct 11, 10:21:42
        
        Like ROI not picking Wessi for years... (Other Football) - duke of york, Oct 11, 10:00:56
        
        Glenn Hoddle (Other Football) - duke of york, Oct 11, 10:09:23
        
        Le Tissier another waste...around the same time as Gazza (n/m) (Other Football) - Maillot Jaune, Oct 11, 10:10:40
        
        Ian Crook (Other Football) - duke of york, Oct 11, 10:09:56

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