The Daily Mail is playing somewhat to their target audience but

I don't buy that there is some conspiracy between the Mail and the Government to paint benefit claimants as a breed apart or as some sort of criminal underclass as you suggest and can't say i am horrified at the headline no. I think in this case the link between the dependence on the system and the crime is there. Yes its a bit sensationalist but its a newspaper headline so whats new there!

It may be a small minority that actively abuse the system but I think there is a wider issue of people who are capable of working becoming dependent on the system and not really being incentivised to work which i think needs to be addressed and that is down to all manner of factors, not just the presence of a benefits system that is open to abuse but also the education system for a number of years having steered people away from traditional trades and other technical skills into degrees that often don't really lead them anywhere, the fact that many British people now view certain jobs as beneath them or that those jobs or sectors are underfunded (whilst we inexplicably send millions overseas to regimes who either don't need it or don't apply it for the purposes intended) and don't pay well enough with the void for those jobs consequently being filled by cheaper migrant labour. Its a whole combination of things and I accept its not a straight forward situation to rectify but that does not mean we should not look hard at the benefits system we have and ensure that as well as protecting those that really need it the system also incentivises people to work as much as it can.

Posted By: Jim on April 3rd 2013 at 11:19:13

Message Thread

FAO Waddockhunt - this derby fire business (NCFC) - Jim, Apr 3, 09:33:35
- 'who embodies everything wrong with people who have moustaches' (NCFC) - mr chimp, Apr 3, 10:57:33
- There will always be scum who take advantage of the system (NCFC) - duke of york, Apr 3, 10:07:55
  - But in this case was it the fact he is evil that led to the crime or (NCFC) - Jim, Apr 3, 10:14:03
    - You're right. (NCFC) - King, Apr 3, 10:19:12
      - Yes because thats what i said. Its basically pointless debating certain (NCFC) - Jim, Apr 3, 10:40:42
        
        Agree. Is hard to say anything about this issue (NCFC) - fal5taff, Apr 3, 11:52:47
        
        From what I've read it was his ego and controlling personality that was a bigger fact (n/m) (NCFC) - CB41, Apr 3, 12:12:23
        
        It sounds like you are saying 'boo hoo, why are people arguing against me' (n/m) (NCFC) - Hertz van Rental, Apr 3, 12:00:21
        
        I rest my case. (n/m) (NCFC) - fal5taff, Apr 3, 12:12:49
        
        No, you are being illogical (NCFC) - Hertz van Rental, Apr 3, 12:31:09
        
        No (NCFC) - fal5taff, Apr 3, 12:50:26
        
        Whether some people are over reliant on the state or not (NCFC) - norway, Apr 3, 10:54:19
        
        I like the idea that people of welfare 'breed babies' (n/m) (NCFC) - mr chimp, Apr 3, 11:10:19
        
        You and other DM readers seem to think this is representative of reality (NCFC) - King, Apr 3, 10:51:55
        
        Given that you say this: (NCFC) - Hertz van Rental, Apr 3, 10:50:32
        
        The Daily Mail is playing somewhat to their target audience but (NCFC) - Jim, Apr 3, 11:19:13
        
        Well this I agree with Jim, shame you didn't start out with this message, you might have (NCFC) - CB41, Apr 3, 11:39:52
        
        ^^^^ VMT ^^^^^^ (n/m) (NCFC) - CB41, Apr 3, 10:52:11
      - Sorry - *accidentally* murdering (n/m) (NCFC) - King, Apr 3, 10:21:07
    - The rich murder each other for inheritance too. (n/m) (NCFC) - colincanary, Apr 3, 10:15:41
      - Yes agreed. And that sort of crime will often be a product of (NCFC) - Jim, Apr 3, 10:26:17
- It's the product of an evil fucker (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Apr 3, 09:51:45
- Have a look at this headline (NCFC) - Hertz van Rental, Apr 3, 09:43:37
  - Yes i am sure that what the Daily Mail's mission is. (NCFC) - Jim, Apr 3, 10:07:26
    - Oh and the vast majority of people on benefits are not 'work shy scroungers' (n/m) (NCFC) - Hertz van Rental, Apr 3, 10:20:00
    - Sorry, not their sole mission, they have plenty of other scummy little missions going on (NCFC) - Hertz van Rental, Apr 3, 10:18:54
  - Littlejohn will be wetting his knickers (n/m) (NCFC) - colincanary, Apr 3, 10:05:30
  - 'Welfare UK' - what does that even mean? (NCFC) - Hertz van Rental, Apr 3, 09:46:20
    - 'Man who bred 17 babies' - BRED!? They are human beings, some of whom are now dead (n/m) (NCFC) - Hertz van Rental, Apr 3, 09:48:23
      - you should provably look up breed in the dictionary (NCFC) - fal5taff, Apr 3, 10:07:43
        
        Yes, because that's exactly what they meant, not trying to make them sound like animals (NCFC) - Hertz van Rental, Apr 3, 10:15:37
        
        Let's swallow the Daily Mail's rhetoric and not look at things too closely, yeah? (n/m) (NCFC) - Hertz van Rental, Apr 3, 10:20:55
        
        It's rarely used in connection with humans though (NCFC) - duke of york, Apr 3, 10:09:26
        
        I think 'bred' is the correct term when someone has 17 children (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Apr 3, 10:12:08
      - Am i being overly cynical in thinking it wasn't a coincidence that osbourne made his speec (NCFC) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Apr 3, 10:03:09
        
        No, you aren't (n/m) (NCFC) - Hertz van Rental, Apr 3, 10:05:33
- shhhh dont talk sense you'll upset the trolls. (n/m) (NCFC) - Tony Martin, Apr 3, 09:42:21

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