Given that you say this:

"The welfare state and the NHS are part of what makes our nation great and one extremely stupid crime which happens to be linked partly to the benefit system does not change that or mean there is need for knee-jerk changes."

I'm surprised that you are not appalled by the Daily Mail front page - as the obvious (and continuing) ploy is to paint benefit claimants as a breed apart, to plant the idea of them being 'shirkers' so that the government can push through their sweeping benefit reforms.

The current system has allowed a small minority of people to abuse it - the Mail will have you believe that it is a majority.

Posted By: Hertz van Rental on April 3rd 2013 at 10:50:32

Message Thread

FAO Waddockhunt - this derby fire business (NCFC) - Jim, Apr 3, 09:33:35
- 'who embodies everything wrong with people who have moustaches' (NCFC) - mr chimp, Apr 3, 10:57:33
- There will always be scum who take advantage of the system (NCFC) - duke of york, Apr 3, 10:07:55
  - But in this case was it the fact he is evil that led to the crime or (NCFC) - Jim, Apr 3, 10:14:03
    - You're right. (NCFC) - King, Apr 3, 10:19:12
      - Yes because thats what i said. Its basically pointless debating certain (NCFC) - Jim, Apr 3, 10:40:42
        
        Agree. Is hard to say anything about this issue (NCFC) - fal5taff, Apr 3, 11:52:47
        
        From what I've read it was his ego and controlling personality that was a bigger fact (n/m) (NCFC) - CB41, Apr 3, 12:12:23
        
        It sounds like you are saying 'boo hoo, why are people arguing against me' (n/m) (NCFC) - Hertz van Rental, Apr 3, 12:00:21
        
        I rest my case. (n/m) (NCFC) - fal5taff, Apr 3, 12:12:49
        
        No, you are being illogical (NCFC) - Hertz van Rental, Apr 3, 12:31:09
        
        No (NCFC) - fal5taff, Apr 3, 12:50:26
        
        Whether some people are over reliant on the state or not (NCFC) - norway, Apr 3, 10:54:19
        
        I like the idea that people of welfare 'breed babies' (n/m) (NCFC) - mr chimp, Apr 3, 11:10:19
        
        You and other DM readers seem to think this is representative of reality (NCFC) - King, Apr 3, 10:51:55
        
        Given that you say this: (NCFC) - Hertz van Rental, Apr 3, 10:50:32
        
        The Daily Mail is playing somewhat to their target audience but (NCFC) - Jim, Apr 3, 11:19:13
        
        Well this I agree with Jim, shame you didn't start out with this message, you might have (NCFC) - CB41, Apr 3, 11:39:52
        
        ^^^^ VMT ^^^^^^ (n/m) (NCFC) - CB41, Apr 3, 10:52:11
      - Sorry - *accidentally* murdering (n/m) (NCFC) - King, Apr 3, 10:21:07
    - The rich murder each other for inheritance too. (n/m) (NCFC) - colincanary, Apr 3, 10:15:41
      - Yes agreed. And that sort of crime will often be a product of (NCFC) - Jim, Apr 3, 10:26:17
- It's the product of an evil fucker (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Apr 3, 09:51:45
- Have a look at this headline (NCFC) - Hertz van Rental, Apr 3, 09:43:37
  - Yes i am sure that what the Daily Mail's mission is. (NCFC) - Jim, Apr 3, 10:07:26
    - Oh and the vast majority of people on benefits are not 'work shy scroungers' (n/m) (NCFC) - Hertz van Rental, Apr 3, 10:20:00
    - Sorry, not their sole mission, they have plenty of other scummy little missions going on (NCFC) - Hertz van Rental, Apr 3, 10:18:54
  - Littlejohn will be wetting his knickers (n/m) (NCFC) - colincanary, Apr 3, 10:05:30
  - 'Welfare UK' - what does that even mean? (NCFC) - Hertz van Rental, Apr 3, 09:46:20
    - 'Man who bred 17 babies' - BRED!? They are human beings, some of whom are now dead (n/m) (NCFC) - Hertz van Rental, Apr 3, 09:48:23
      - you should provably look up breed in the dictionary (NCFC) - fal5taff, Apr 3, 10:07:43
        
        Yes, because that's exactly what they meant, not trying to make them sound like animals (NCFC) - Hertz van Rental, Apr 3, 10:15:37
        
        Let's swallow the Daily Mail's rhetoric and not look at things too closely, yeah? (n/m) (NCFC) - Hertz van Rental, Apr 3, 10:20:55
        
        It's rarely used in connection with humans though (NCFC) - duke of york, Apr 3, 10:09:26
        
        I think 'bred' is the correct term when someone has 17 children (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Apr 3, 10:12:08
      - Am i being overly cynical in thinking it wasn't a coincidence that osbourne made his speec (NCFC) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Apr 3, 10:03:09
        
        No, you aren't (n/m) (NCFC) - Hertz van Rental, Apr 3, 10:05:33
- shhhh dont talk sense you'll upset the trolls. (n/m) (NCFC) - Tony Martin, Apr 3, 09:42:21

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