But in this case was it the fact he is evil that led to the crime or

was it the fact he's a thick, greedy idiot who thought he could get his income levels back up by framing his ex for this fire?

In my view in this particular case there is a clear link between the benefits and the motive for the crime. I don;t think he meant to kill his own children (he by all accounts had a plan to rescue them via a window but drafts through the house spread the fire too quickly) but his own greed/stupidity meant he went ahead and did something unbelievably stupid/reckless which tragically went badly wrong.

Not coming clean afterwards is, however, evil.

Posted By: Jim on April 3rd 2013 at 10:14:03

Message Thread

FAO Waddockhunt - this derby fire business (NCFC) - Jim, Apr 3, 09:33:35
- 'who embodies everything wrong with people who have moustaches' (NCFC) - mr chimp, Apr 3, 10:57:33
- There will always be scum who take advantage of the system (NCFC) - duke of york, Apr 3, 10:07:55
  - But in this case was it the fact he is evil that led to the crime or (NCFC) - Jim, Apr 3, 10:14:03
    - You're right. (NCFC) - King, Apr 3, 10:19:12
      - Yes because thats what i said. Its basically pointless debating certain (NCFC) - Jim, Apr 3, 10:40:42
        
        Agree. Is hard to say anything about this issue (NCFC) - fal5taff, Apr 3, 11:52:47
        
        From what I've read it was his ego and controlling personality that was a bigger fact (n/m) (NCFC) - CB41, Apr 3, 12:12:23
        
        It sounds like you are saying 'boo hoo, why are people arguing against me' (n/m) (NCFC) - Hertz van Rental, Apr 3, 12:00:21
        
        I rest my case. (n/m) (NCFC) - fal5taff, Apr 3, 12:12:49
        
        No, you are being illogical (NCFC) - Hertz van Rental, Apr 3, 12:31:09
        
        No (NCFC) - fal5taff, Apr 3, 12:50:26
        
        Whether some people are over reliant on the state or not (NCFC) - norway, Apr 3, 10:54:19
        
        I like the idea that people of welfare 'breed babies' (n/m) (NCFC) - mr chimp, Apr 3, 11:10:19
        
        You and other DM readers seem to think this is representative of reality (NCFC) - King, Apr 3, 10:51:55
        
        Given that you say this: (NCFC) - Hertz van Rental, Apr 3, 10:50:32
        
        The Daily Mail is playing somewhat to their target audience but (NCFC) - Jim, Apr 3, 11:19:13
        
        Well this I agree with Jim, shame you didn't start out with this message, you might have (NCFC) - CB41, Apr 3, 11:39:52
        
        ^^^^ VMT ^^^^^^ (n/m) (NCFC) - CB41, Apr 3, 10:52:11
      - Sorry - *accidentally* murdering (n/m) (NCFC) - King, Apr 3, 10:21:07
    - The rich murder each other for inheritance too. (n/m) (NCFC) - colincanary, Apr 3, 10:15:41
      - Yes agreed. And that sort of crime will often be a product of (NCFC) - Jim, Apr 3, 10:26:17
- It's the product of an evil fucker (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Apr 3, 09:51:45
- Have a look at this headline (NCFC) - Hertz van Rental, Apr 3, 09:43:37
  - Yes i am sure that what the Daily Mail's mission is. (NCFC) - Jim, Apr 3, 10:07:26
    - Oh and the vast majority of people on benefits are not 'work shy scroungers' (n/m) (NCFC) - Hertz van Rental, Apr 3, 10:20:00
    - Sorry, not their sole mission, they have plenty of other scummy little missions going on (NCFC) - Hertz van Rental, Apr 3, 10:18:54
  - Littlejohn will be wetting his knickers (n/m) (NCFC) - colincanary, Apr 3, 10:05:30
  - 'Welfare UK' - what does that even mean? (NCFC) - Hertz van Rental, Apr 3, 09:46:20
    - 'Man who bred 17 babies' - BRED!? They are human beings, some of whom are now dead (n/m) (NCFC) - Hertz van Rental, Apr 3, 09:48:23
      - you should provably look up breed in the dictionary (NCFC) - fal5taff, Apr 3, 10:07:43
        
        Yes, because that's exactly what they meant, not trying to make them sound like animals (NCFC) - Hertz van Rental, Apr 3, 10:15:37
        
        Let's swallow the Daily Mail's rhetoric and not look at things too closely, yeah? (n/m) (NCFC) - Hertz van Rental, Apr 3, 10:20:55
        
        It's rarely used in connection with humans though (NCFC) - duke of york, Apr 3, 10:09:26
        
        I think 'bred' is the correct term when someone has 17 children (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Apr 3, 10:12:08
      - Am i being overly cynical in thinking it wasn't a coincidence that osbourne made his speec (NCFC) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Apr 3, 10:03:09
        
        No, you aren't (n/m) (NCFC) - Hertz van Rental, Apr 3, 10:05:33
- shhhh dont talk sense you'll upset the trolls. (n/m) (NCFC) - Tony Martin, Apr 3, 09:42:21

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