Ask Ken Clarke

On being told that the sentence for rape was five years on average, according to the Council of Circuit Judges, Mr Clarke said: "That includes date rape ... serious rape - I don't think many judges give five years for a forcible rape frankly, the tariff is longer than that. A serious rape with violence and an unwilling woman - the tariff is longer than that.....he also said date rapes were included in the figures which could be "sometimes very confusing" adding: "Date rape can be as serious as the worst rapes but date rapes... in my very old experience of being in trials [from his time as a practising lawyer]... they do vary extraordinarily one from another, and in the end the judge has to decide on the circumstances."

Posted By: Tricky Hawes on May 18th 2011 at 14:33:29

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CAN OF WORMS TIME (General Chat) - norway, May 18, 13:58:36
- Agreed - the latter is known as Statutory Rape whereas.... (General Chat) - Kirrie, May 18, 15:34:32
- You should get more time for date rape (General Chat) - CaptainContraversial, May 18, 14:54:53
  - Like poisoning cats, because they're clever enough to stay away from you? (n/m) (General Chat) - pants, May 18, 15:29:31
  - If only you could actually spell your own name (n/m) (General Chat) - norway, May 18, 14:55:41
    - If only I wasn't an illiterate cunt (General Chat) - CaptainContraversial, May 18, 14:56:56
- ooof (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, May 18, 14:07:01
  - But he's not referring to date rape is he ? But to statutory rape. Imagine if (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, May 18, 14:21:35
    - He did say "date rape" as well (General Chat) - Old Git, May 18, 14:23:45
      - Isn't date rape a rather redundant term ? (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, May 18, 14:30:21
        
        I think it grew up as a shorthand for an alleged rape where the victim knows the offender (General Chat) - Old Git, May 18, 14:37:41
        
        Ask Ken Clarke (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, May 18, 14:33:29
        
        Yeah but it seems he's getting in a muddle because of that very reason... (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, May 18, 14:36:05
        
        he's not talking about stautory rape there at all (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, May 18, 14:39:56
        
        It's not easy, which is why he's right, and why Millibean is a twerp (n/m) (General Chat) - Old Git, May 18, 14:41:04
        
        you're probably right, and this is all politics, obviously, but (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, May 18, 14:45:42
        
        But that's just a spin on what he said (General Chat) - Old Git, May 18, 14:53:25
        
        Bang on the money (n/m) (General Chat) - norway, May 18, 14:55:08
        
        Just unfortunate choice of words really intut. Varying degrees of seriousness always (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, May 18, 14:48:17
        
        yep (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, May 18, 14:50:50
        
        No, it isn't (General Chat) - Old Git, May 18, 14:54:57
        
        I don't disagree much with you (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, May 18, 14:58:09
        
        Agree that he needed to choose his language more carefully (General Chat) - norway, May 18, 15:34:36
  - All depends actually (General Chat) - Old Git, May 18, 14:17:45

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