ooof

On being told that the sentence for rape was five years on average, according to the Council of Circuit Judges, Mr Clarke said: "That includes date rape, 17-year-olds having intercourse with 15 year olds.."

"Serious rape - I don't think many judges give five years for a forcible rape frankly, the tariff is longer than that. A serious rape with violence and an unwilling woman - the tariff is longer than that."

He also said date rapes were included in the figures which could be "sometimes very confusing" adding: "Date rape can be as serious as the worst rapes but date rapes... in my very old experience of being in trials [from his time as a practising lawyer]... they do vary extraordinarily one from another, and in the end the judge has to decide on the circumstances."

He does seem to be implying that date rape is somehow not 'serious'. Which is bizarre, frankly.

Posted By: Tricky Hawes on May 18th 2011 at 14:07:01

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CAN OF WORMS TIME (General Chat) - norway, May 18, 13:58:36
- Agreed - the latter is known as Statutory Rape whereas.... (General Chat) - Kirrie, May 18, 15:34:32
- You should get more time for date rape (General Chat) - CaptainContraversial, May 18, 14:54:53
  - Like poisoning cats, because they're clever enough to stay away from you? (n/m) (General Chat) - pants, May 18, 15:29:31
  - If only you could actually spell your own name (n/m) (General Chat) - norway, May 18, 14:55:41
    - If only I wasn't an illiterate cunt (General Chat) - CaptainContraversial, May 18, 14:56:56
- ooof (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, May 18, 14:07:01
  - But he's not referring to date rape is he ? But to statutory rape. Imagine if (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, May 18, 14:21:35
    - He did say "date rape" as well (General Chat) - Old Git, May 18, 14:23:45
      - Isn't date rape a rather redundant term ? (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, May 18, 14:30:21
        
        I think it grew up as a shorthand for an alleged rape where the victim knows the offender (General Chat) - Old Git, May 18, 14:37:41
        
        Ask Ken Clarke (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, May 18, 14:33:29
        
        Yeah but it seems he's getting in a muddle because of that very reason... (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, May 18, 14:36:05
        
        he's not talking about stautory rape there at all (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, May 18, 14:39:56
        
        It's not easy, which is why he's right, and why Millibean is a twerp (n/m) (General Chat) - Old Git, May 18, 14:41:04
        
        you're probably right, and this is all politics, obviously, but (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, May 18, 14:45:42
        
        But that's just a spin on what he said (General Chat) - Old Git, May 18, 14:53:25
        
        Bang on the money (n/m) (General Chat) - norway, May 18, 14:55:08
        
        Just unfortunate choice of words really intut. Varying degrees of seriousness always (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, May 18, 14:48:17
        
        yep (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, May 18, 14:50:50
        
        No, it isn't (General Chat) - Old Git, May 18, 14:54:57
        
        I don't disagree much with you (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, May 18, 14:58:09
        
        Agree that he needed to choose his language more carefully (General Chat) - norway, May 18, 15:34:36
  - All depends actually (General Chat) - Old Git, May 18, 14:17:45

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