I've been a big Genesis fan ever since the release of their 1980 album, Duke

Before that, I really didn't understand any of their work. Too artsy, too intellectual. It was on Duke where Phil Collins' presence became more apparent.

I think Invisible Touch was the group's undisputed masterpiece. It's an epic meditation on intangibility. At the same time, it deepens and enriches the meaning of the preceding three albums. Listen to the brilliant ensemble playing of Banks, Collins and Rutherford. You can practically hear every nuance of every instrument.

In terms of lyrical craftsmanship, the sheer songwriting, this album hits a new peak of professionalism.

Take the lyrics to Land of Confusion. In this song, Phil Collins addresses the problems of abusive political authority. In Too Deep is the most moving pop song of the 1980s, about monogamy and commitment. The song is extremely uplifting. Their lyrics are as positive and affirmative as anything I've heard in rock.

Phil Collins' solo career seems to be more commercial and therefore more satisfying, in a narrower way. Especially songs like In the Air Tonight and Against All Odds. But I also think Phil Collins works best within the confines of the group, than as a solo artist, and I stress the word artist.

Sussudio, is a great, great song, a personal favorite.

Christy, get down on your knees so Sabrina can see your asshole.

Posted By: Ken Dodds Dads Dog on March 9th 2011 at 13:21:34

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Good news (General Chat) - CB41, Mar 9, 12:57:42
- I guess its a generation thing. (General Chat) - usacanary, Mar 9, 14:56:07
  - I fucked up. (General Chat) - usacanary, Mar 9, 16:19:17
  - I said the same to my mate Cliff the other day (n/m) (General Chat) - Jumbo1, Mar 9, 14:57:58
    - What about Roger? (n/m) (General Chat) - usacanary, Mar 9, 15:04:02
- Unbelievably old news (n/m) (General Chat) - Dandy Highburyman, Mar 9, 14:05:10
- I've been a big Genesis fan ever since the release of their 1980 album, Duke (General Chat) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Mar 9, 13:21:34
  - yes one of the greatest films ever! (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Mar 9, 13:22:01
    - the book is better (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Mar 9, 13:24:53
      - Agreed that this book is better than the film but not that books are always better. (General Chat) - tim berry, Mar 9, 13:39:35
        
        I can't think of any film I've watched which has been better than the book. (n/m) (General Chat) - Arizona Bay, Mar 9, 13:47:55
        
        Atonement - great book, great film. (n/m) (General Chat) - tim berry, Mar 9, 13:53:41
        
        If not better than the book. (n/m) (General Chat) - tim berry, Mar 9, 13:56:03
        
        great film, never read the book obviously (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Mar 9, 13:54:19
        
        no it isn't, a 2 hour film simply cannot compete with a book (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Mar 9, 13:44:06
        
        As a film-maker, I strongly disagree with you. (General Chat) - tim berry, Mar 9, 13:48:18
        
        well I'm struggling to think of any adapatations that are better than the books (n/m) (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Mar 9, 13:52:42
        
        I'm with Worz on this. Films just cannot give you the same attachment to a character. (n/m) (General Chat) - megson, Mar 9, 13:46:26
        
        Disagree (General Chat) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Mar 9, 13:50:28
        
        disagree (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Mar 9, 13:57:31
        
        Of course this is true, but then again, charisma is difficult to capture in prose. (n/m) (General Chat) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Mar 9, 14:03:54
        
        ... IMO only, I respect that lots of people will disagree with this. (n/m) (General Chat) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Mar 9, 14:04:38
        
        it is a stretcjh to compare the two artforms, but what I can say for sure is that (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Mar 9, 14:07:28
      - I couldn't get on with the book (General Chat) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Mar 9, 13:27:53
        
        .... (General Chat) - SCC 28, Mar 9, 13:32:35
        
        So many epic quotes in that film. (n/m) (General Chat) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Mar 9, 13:38:05
        
        yes it was hard going, especially at first, but that was the point really (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Mar 9, 13:31:58
      - don't do books (General Chat) - SCC 28, Mar 9, 13:26:46
        
        the film is a lite version of the book (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Mar 9, 13:34:17
        
        LOTR got the feel pretty much right, and as good an adaptation as possible i reckon (General Chat) - megson, Mar 9, 13:45:36
        
        I'd forgotten about that, mind you I haven't read LOTR since I was about 12 (n/m) (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Mar 9, 13:49:39
        
        You can't really compare a book to a film though - completely different art forms (n/m) (General Chat) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Mar 9, 13:40:05
        
        Surely you can if the film is supposed to be telling the same story? (n/m) (General Chat) - megson, Mar 9, 13:48:10
        
        A film is not just about the story though is it. (General Chat) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Mar 9, 13:52:06
        
        yes, but when they despict the same story I think you can compare your enjoyment of them (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Mar 9, 13:42:34
        
        Correct. (n/m) (General Chat) - tim berry, Mar 9, 13:42:16
        
        Fever Pitch (General Chat) - tim berry, Mar 9, 13:38:34
        
        isn't that about baseball though? (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Mar 9, 13:41:32
        
        No, that's the American remake of a British film. (General Chat) - tim berry, Mar 9, 13:43:39
        
        oh, had no idea it'd been made. I'll get hold of that (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Mar 9, 13:47:36
        
        Nor could I. The Fever Pitch book is one of my favourite books. (General Chat) - tim berry, Mar 9, 13:51:53
        
        Same with One Flew Over The Cuckoos Nest. (General Chat) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Mar 9, 13:54:43
        
        *...doesn't tell you... (n/m) (General Chat) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Mar 9, 13:55:46
        
        haven't ready that yet. Ken Kesey hated it though didn't he? (n/m) (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Mar 9, 14:01:21
        
        Always worth remembering that Ken Kesey was on a LOT of drugs for a LONG time. (n/m) (General Chat) - Arizona Bay, Mar 9, 14:04:19
        
        haha yes, have you ever read The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test? (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Mar 9, 14:10:55
        
        No, I haven't. (General Chat) - Arizona Bay, Mar 9, 14:25:43
        
        oh oh, that Hell's Angel's book is good (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Mar 9, 14:28:04
        
        I loved Fear and Loathing, although it did align me a slight margin off my chump for a whi (General Chat) - Arizona Bay, Mar 9, 14:38:44
        
        don't bother (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Mar 9, 14:41:13
        
        *angels ffs! (n/m) (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Mar 9, 14:28:22
        
        Have you read Clam-lappers Vol IV? (n/m) (General Chat) - tudders, Mar 9, 13:35:36
        
        no? is it good? (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Mar 9, 13:37:03
    - Album you mean, don't you? (n/m) (General Chat) - CB41, Mar 9, 13:24:44
      - nope the film (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Mar 9, 13:26:30
        
        He didn't mention a filum FFS !!! He was talking about an Album (n/m) (General Chat) - CB41, Mar 9, 13:29:06
        
        nope he was quoting a fillum (General Chat) - SCC 28, Mar 9, 13:30:02
        
        Where does it mention a filum? (n/m) (General Chat) - CB41, Mar 9, 13:31:05
        
        in his post about genesis which was quoting a film (General Chat) - SCC 28, Mar 9, 13:33:11
        
        American Psycho. (General Chat) - tim berry, Mar 9, 13:41:01
        
        huey lewis in the film too (General Chat) - SCC 28, Mar 9, 13:43:31
        
        Apparently Lewis wouldn't give soundtrack clearance (General Chat) - Hertz van Rental, Mar 9, 13:48:00
        
        Oh. I've not seen it. (n/m) (General Chat) - CB41, Mar 9, 13:39:42
        
        you should (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Mar 9, 13:44:20
- "There's no need for the straitjacket!" (General Chat) - norway, Mar 9, 13:19:07
  - ha yes, opportunity missed (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Mar 9, 13:19:46
- In the Sunday Times he said he was ill and no one would miss him when he's gone (n/m) (General Chat) - BSE Canary, Mar 9, 13:17:45
  - nonce sense (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Mar 9, 13:18:08
    - Invisible Touch (n/m) (General Chat) - norway, Mar 9, 13:19:47
- Ooooooooohhhhhhhhhh Nooooooooooooo! (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Mar 9, 13:05:14
- brom will be gutted (n/m) (General Chat) - Jumbo1, Mar 9, 13:00:34
  - Yeah, shame. (General Chat) - Brom, Mar 9, 13:30:20
    - sorry to hear that (n/m) (General Chat) - pants, Mar 9, 14:05:23
    - same as oasis for me (General Chat) - SCC 28, Mar 9, 13:36:41
      - Jam for me (n/m) (General Chat) - Jumbo1, Mar 9, 13:37:41
  - rofl (n/m) (General Chat) - pants, Mar 9, 13:24:11
  - Why so? (n/m) (General Chat) - CB41, Mar 9, 13:00:53
    - big fan - seen him live and everything! (n/m) (General Chat) - Jumbo1, Mar 9, 13:15:02
      - "that there Phil Colluns, he dunt just sing (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Mar 9, 13:18:52
        
        "Andy's Records" - happy days. (n/m) (General Chat) - CB41, Mar 9, 13:25:46
        
        agreed, many a saturday afternoon spent happily flicking through albums there (n/m) (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Mar 9, 13:36:06
        
        You finished UBER-Blubbing after the other day? (n/m) (General Chat) - Brom, Mar 9, 14:08:06
        
        Ah, supposed to be response to pants, not you WS (n/m) (General Chat) - Brom, Mar 9, 14:59:35
        
        ? what are you on about? (n/m) (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Mar 9, 14:25:19
        
        This thread... (General Chat) - Brom, Mar 9, 14:34:11
        
        why would you bring that up other than to try and embarass pants? (n/m) (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Mar 9, 14:42:06
- are you a 'tormented wierdo' ? (n/m) (General Chat) - colincanary, Mar 9, 12:59:09
  - Undeniably (n/m) (General Chat) - CB41, Mar 9, 13:00:34

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