Now I see the point you're trying to make:

extrapolating dubious conclusions from simple stats without considering other factors. I don't think, though, that Tricky was attempting to draw any such conclusions as he explains above. That's not to say others don't do it from time to time, here and elsewhere (the media are masters at the art).

Posted By: BerlinCanary on June 16th 2010 at 12:49:42

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nicked from Guardian....goals after 14 games of WC (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Jun 16, 10:18:31
- Can't have been that extensive. Cos there were 32 goals after 14 games of 2006 (NCFC) - pants, Jun 16, 13:27:06
  - apologies for posting this here (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Jun 16, 13:29:22
    - quite interesting, actually - seeing that (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Jun 16, 13:32:25
- the lack of goals isnt the biggest worry, for me its the lack of engaging games (NCFC) - samcd84, Jun 16, 10:47:46
  - it wasn't a secret that the Germans etc. were using the new ball (NCFC) - mr carra, Jun 16, 11:12:57
    - before it all started (NCFC) - camcan, Jun 16, 11:17:31
    - Think it was something to do with Adidas being a sponsor of the French and German leagues (n/m) (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Jun 16, 11:15:57
      - Yep, and the Prem has an exclusive deal with Nike so we couldn't use them (n/m) (NCFC) - DemoniCanary, Jun 16, 11:41:14
  - Wasn't the same suggested at the beginning of the tournament in Germany (NCFC) - Maillot Jaune, Jun 16, 10:59:06
  - how long have all the nations in the world cup had the ball to train with now? (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Jun 16, 10:54:36
    - No wonder they're having problems with it then (n/m) (NCFC) - jamesward, Jun 16, 10:57:53
- That really does prove that you can manipulate stats however you want to (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Jun 16, 10:45:16
  - does it? In what way? (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Jun 16, 10:47:02
    - Because you've taken a stat (NCFC) - pants, Jun 16, 10:50:51
      - It *is* the lowest ever (NCFC) - BerlinCanary, Jun 16, 10:54:49
        
        agree with that. Which was why I said "whatever you make of that" (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Jun 16, 10:57:04
        
        I seem to remember always thinking the WC was boring at this stage. Only (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Jun 16, 11:04:52
      - 'goals after 14 games of WC' (NCFC) - HoofinHughes, Jun 16, 10:54:25
      - er, the stat is obviously the lowest ever after 14 games (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Jun 16, 10:52:13
        
        Nicely loaded argument (NCFC) - pants, Jun 16, 10:56:50
        
        LOL. Don't admit your mistake, whatever you do ! (n/m) (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Jun 16, 11:02:48
        
        After 15 games of 2009/10, we were the worst team ever (NCFC) - pants, Jun 16, 11:09:57
        
        pants - no idea why I'm bothering, but (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Jun 16, 11:54:04
        
        Don't then (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Jun 16, 12:00:39
        
        Fella, this time you're wrong. (NCFC) - Arganth, Jun 16, 12:12:17
        
        F*ck me you can be exasperating at times (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Jun 16, 12:10:34
        
        TH, It is just pant being pants. (n/m) (NCFC) - mike_the_sphinx, Jun 16, 12:27:04
        
        Don't worry TH, you didn't make anything up, or mis-report anything - (NCFC) - Old Git, Jun 16, 12:26:52
        
        Without seeing the main body of this predictable drivel.You once sided with Selwyn over me (NCFC) - pants, Jun 16, 12:36:32
        
        ... (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Jun 16, 12:51:15
        
        He should do a protagonist one (NCFC) - pants, Jun 16, 12:57:57
        
        cock (n/m) (NCFC) - strap_on sally, Jun 16, 13:55:15
        
        qualify "worst team ever" (n/m) (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Jun 16, 11:34:26
        
        ?? (n/m) (NCFC) - BerlinCanary, Jun 16, 11:23:23
        
        Well after the 15th game in league one was played, we were bottom of the league (NCFC) - pants, Jun 16, 11:33:29
        
        Now I see the point you're trying to make: (NCFC) - BerlinCanary, Jun 16, 12:49:42
        
        Indeed. Hence me saying, in the original post, "Whatever you make of that." (n/m) (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Jun 16, 13:01:06
        
        I guess you could compare to our other (NCFC) - jamesward, Jun 16, 11:41:06
        
        Worst start would have been fine (NCFC) - pants, Jun 16, 11:55:55
        
        Where did he say "worst ever" ?! (n/m) (NCFC) - HoofinHughes, Jun 16, 11:59:41
        
        !! (n/m) (NCFC) - jamesward, Jun 16, 11:25:51
- Less "naive" minnows (NCFC) - jamesward, Jun 16, 10:41:08
  - yep, a massive factor (n/m) (NCFC) - Brandonio, Jun 16, 10:44:29
    - only one game, but - if that were true - shouldn't Brazil have splanked NK last night? (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Jun 16, 10:48:31
      - no thats the whole point, the N Koreans were quite tactically aware (NCFC) - Maillot Jaune, Jun 16, 11:03:15
      - I thought it was a good game regardless of reputations and result (n/m) (NCFC) - BerlinCanary, Jun 16, 10:52:46
      - I was agreeing with the point that teams are less naive (n/m) (NCFC) - Brandonio, Jun 16, 10:50:28
      - splanked? spanked, I think. (n/m) (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Jun 16, 10:48:50
        
        is that a cross between spanking and sploshing - pervert! (n/m) (NCFC) - Jumbo1, Jun 16, 10:56:17
        
        I'd TM splanked, it's rather good (NCFC) - camcan, Jun 16, 10:50:16
  - maybe, altho (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Jun 16, 10:43:05
    - a fair amount is due to the ball and the altitude... (NCFC) - Brandonio, Jun 16, 10:48:59
      - I agree with the tactics thing (NCFC) - BerlinCanary, Jun 16, 11:04:13
        
        there does seem to be a lot of 4-5-1 about (NCFC) - mr carra, Jun 16, 11:10:26
        
        well thats Dungas preferred formation so it was always going to happen (NCFC) - Maillot Jaune, Jun 16, 11:14:48
        
        yeah, but hoofball is OUR game (NCFC) - mr carra, Jun 16, 11:29:18
        
        Actually, I don't think they've ever minded... (NCFC) - BerlinCanary, Jun 16, 11:31:46
    - I don't feel any different from other world cups (NCFC) - camcan, Jun 16, 10:48:49
  - although Honduras may buck the trend today (n/m) (NCFC) - camcan, Jun 16, 10:42:47
- its because they choose the finals to introduce a new ball (NCFC) - conkers, Jun 16, 10:25:33
  - it's still a fucking football, unless they've suddenly started making it out of lead they (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Jun 16, 10:32:50
    - why less goals than ever before then, scrammers? (n/m) (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Jun 16, 10:33:56
      - taller goalkeepers... (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Jun 16, 10:39:48
        
        like the Mexican goalie ? (n/m) (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Jun 16, 11:08:24
        
        I agree with a lot of that but I have never seen a ball misjudged so much (NCFC) - Brandonio, Jun 16, 10:52:22
        
        could it be due to the partly artifical pitches...if so it would explain alot of the going (NCFC) - Maillot Jaune, Jun 16, 11:10:11
        
        Bounce possibly has more to do with the pitch though (n/m) (NCFC) - BerlinCanary, Jun 16, 10:57:12
        
        And there have been so many overhit crosses and passes (NCFC) - jamesward, Jun 16, 10:54:16
        
        is it? (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Jun 16, 10:57:16
  - apart from ze Germans and South America. (n/m) (NCFC) - Al NCFC4life, Jun 16, 10:28:13
    - and France (n/m) (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Jun 16, 11:08:41
- The ball is a big naughty one. Too round for its own good. (n/m) (NCFC) - songwriter, Jun 16, 10:24:11
- bigger goals to cope with taller goalkeepers (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Jun 16, 10:21:34

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