Do I think a decent manager would've got us out of it last season? Yep.

Do I think a decent manager could've averted our collapse in 1995/6? Nope. Do I think a decent manager would've done better than Deehan, and not man managed people so badly? Yep.

As for "no atmosphere" under MON: it certainly wasn't poisonous, just quiet. And on the train to Charlton in October 1995, I was in the same carriage as Chase, who chatted amicably with fans; and we celebrated raucously when we equalised. We thought we were going up. The difference between the atmosphere then and that as soon as MON left was huge.

Posted By: thebigfeller on January 21st 2010 at 12:37:12

Message Thread

Gunny (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Jan 21, 11:31:10
- Good post - not sure I agree with all of it - but GOOD post (n/m) (NCFC) - The Judge, Jan 21, 19:05:17
- he wanted the job (NCFC) - Charles21, Jan 21, 11:50:56
  - so did I (NCFC) - Tombs, Jan 21, 12:01:44
  - He was forced into it by Melissa (n/m) (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Jan 21, 11:54:19
  - Managers do not publicly tout themselves for any job (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Jan 21, 11:53:28
    - what rot (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Jan 21, 12:25:41
      - And what do Arry, Sam and managers who tout themselves for jobs (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Jan 21, 12:29:29
        
        many reports say that Fat Sam was so very, very close to being England Manager instead of (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Jan 21, 12:39:07
        
        No he bloody wasn't! (Allardyce, I mean) (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Jan 21, 12:44:31
        
        so Worthy didn't say anything about throwing his hat into rings in post match interviews? (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Jan 21, 13:00:57
        
        Indeed. Much of this seems to come down to annoyance with Gunn for wanting the job, really (n/m) (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Jan 21, 13:07:18
        
        If McClaren got the job because of the lack of English candidates (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Jan 21, 12:53:03
        
        He had no chance because of the Panoroma documentary (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Jan 21, 12:54:45
        
        which was aired a month after McLaren got the England job (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Jan 21, 13:07:39
        
        er, what are you on?? (NCFC) - Charles21, Jan 21, 12:49:06
        
        And the FA weren't happy about it. They appointed SCS for reasons of continuity (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Jan 21, 12:53:55
        
        hmm, I strongly doubt this (NCFC) - Charles21, Jan 21, 13:01:13
        
        What I was told at the time. Nothing I can prove (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Jan 21, 13:03:38
        
        *objectionable (n/m) (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Jan 21, 12:30:28
    - so him doing interviews stating he wanted the job (NCFC) - Charles21, Jan 21, 12:10:19
      - A lot of things he said when he got the job in Jan mirrored what he said in the Summer (NCFC) - iwans_ex_dentist, Jan 21, 12:14:33
      - His inability to see he'd done anything wrong at all makes him a wanker (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Jan 21, 12:11:41
        
        Agree with all you've said BF, the Gunn delusion carrys on (n/m) (NCFC) - curva nord, Jan 21, 12:26:01
        
        you're not wrong there bigfeller! (n/m) (NCFC) - Tombs, Jan 21, 12:19:57
- It's another reason I have no time for our board (NCFC) - pants, Jan 21, 11:49:18
  - wonder how well that will be recieved by the board? (NCFC) - Tombs, Jan 21, 12:04:24
  - Yes, I totally understand that. (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Jan 21, 11:52:13
    - Totally. I do feel the same as you too (NCFC) - pants, Jan 21, 11:53:49
      - What, a bit squidgy ? (n/m) (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Jan 21, 11:58:54
      - You loved him too much? (NCFC) - jamesward, Jan 21, 11:57:49
        
        arf (n/m) (NCFC) - Tombs, Jan 21, 12:05:35
        
        lol (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 21, 11:59:41
        
        he regrets the restraining order that prevents him from entering Norfolk (NCFC) - Yellalee, Jan 21, 11:59:09
        
        it all makes sense now (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 21, 12:03:13
        
        haha (n/m) (NCFC) - Yellalee, Jan 21, 11:58:05
      - and to be fair - you said that exact same thing when he was appointed (n/m) (NCFC) - Yellalee, Jan 21, 11:56:45
  - when have the board asked you for some? (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 21, 11:51:31
    - Go find someone else to argue with please (NCFC) - pants, Jan 21, 11:52:31
      - so they haven't (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 21, 11:53:44
        
        Brighton is town, and I hope you had a good xmas (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Jan 21, 11:54:20
- hmmm. I seem to remember people on here moaning about Hucks' 'outbursts' (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Jan 21, 11:43:56
  - ^^^ this guy has it spot on (NCFC) - Charles21, Jan 21, 11:51:57
  - I'm not looking for Gunn to say "I was shit" (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Jan 21, 11:49:18
    - Genuine question - how has he hinted he'd have had us in a similar position as Lambert? (n/m) (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Jan 21, 11:52:14
      - He was asked it on TV once (NCFC) - jamesward, Jan 21, 11:53:59
        
        that was when we'd just got into the play off places wasn't it? (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Jan 21, 12:03:32
  - Hucks was a right old blubber at times, but not really about his exit (n/m) (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Jan 21, 11:46:01
    - i don't think he blubbed at all about it (NCFC) - Tombs, Jan 21, 11:47:20
  - are you bumming him? (NCFC) - Tombs, Jan 21, 11:45:22
    - No, I'm not. (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Jan 21, 11:49:31
      - Club villain? Nah. Club villains are people like Chase, Muscat, or with some, (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Jan 21, 12:03:58
        
        well this was how it all started, but there's been plenty of stuff on here (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Jan 21, 12:08:20
        
        Yes. It is a lot to do with message boards - on which there's attention seeking as well as (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Jan 21, 12:10:38
        
        Overreaction? Surely not a "crushing sense of despair?" (n/m) (NCFC) - jamesward, Jan 21, 12:24:19
        
        But that wasn't an overreaction - and events proved me right (for once) (n/m) (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Jan 21, 12:27:24
        
        some of it is i suspect a bit of trollage and a bit of trollage reaction (NCFC) - Tombs, Jan 21, 12:14:01
        
        to be fair - you yourself are describing as "w*nker". Rather than "less of a hero". (n/m) (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Jan 21, 12:11:53
        
        Legend as player. Wanker right now. A balance will be found in time. (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Jan 21, 12:13:38
      - perhaps it's just this site. an opinion polariser more to do with posters attitudes (NCFC) - Tombs, Jan 21, 11:53:14
- Unfortunately I have to agree, and people can't help feel the way they feel, those who (NCFC) - stringersrevenge, Jan 21, 11:42:26
  - footballers generally (NCFC) - jayson blair, Jan 21, 11:54:10
    - were City in bottom 3 when Gunn took over? (NCFC) - BigDoh, Jan 21, 12:15:00
      - lol (n/m) (NCFC) - Charles21, Jan 21, 12:37:54
    - Agree on the self-awareness point. It's in the nature of the game (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Jan 21, 12:02:23
      - the numbers says that (NCFC) - jayson blair, Jan 21, 12:15:43
        
        I know about the numbers. I also know about the context though (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Jan 21, 12:18:56
        
        O'Neil = winning games & no atmosphere (NCFC) - jayson blair, Jan 21, 12:32:48
        
        Do I think a decent manager would've got us out of it last season? Yep. (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Jan 21, 12:37:12
        
        you wrote (NCFC) - jayson blair, Jan 21, 13:36:29
- Do you honestly think the Gunn era had serious consequences ? (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Jan 21, 11:36:20
  - I don't blame Gunn for relegation exactly (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Jan 21, 11:42:25
    - Of course, but I am just saying that while a bit of a circus, I am not sure that (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Jan 21, 11:45:41
    - I have a feeling that the 4-0 Cup win has left Gunn (NCFC) - jamesward, Jan 21, 11:45:12
      - My final word on Gunny. (NCFC) - jafski, Jan 21, 11:56:42
        
        And Gary Glitter couldn't choose his lawyers as well as Jackson (n/m) (NCFC) - BigDoh, Jan 21, 12:16:51
        
        Absolutely the final word from me (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Jan 21, 12:03:58
        
        yeah. Aside from the child rape comparison, I reckon that's probably spot on... (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Jan 21, 12:01:30
        
        And which will in time be what he will be remembered for. (n/m) (NCFC) - jafski, Jan 21, 12:04:28
        
        Cor. Too many wills and be's there, or am I just having a dyslectic moment ? (n/m) (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Jan 21, 12:06:00
        
        Yes. My Bad. Epic Fail. I've been pwned. (NCFC) - jafski, Jan 21, 12:12:17
- agree 100% (n/m) (NCFC) - selwyn, Jan 21, 11:32:29
  - Fuck Off (n/m) (NCFC) - Tombs, Jan 21, 11:32:53

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