I don't blame Gunn for relegation exactly

But do hold him partly responsible - not least because he's been Head of Player Recruitment for years beforehand. Had he held his hands up in May and admitted he was in over his head, I probably wouldn't blame him at all - but he didn't.

And thank heavens for McNally - but there was nothing inevitable about us finally bringing professional people in. The mess he, Bowkett, Lambert, Culverhouse and Crook are getting us out of was partly Gunny's fault. If he acknowledged this, then fair enough - but he doesn't. If you become manager, you're responsible for results: Gunn acts like he was only responsible for wins, and Roeder's players were responsible for defeats. That's ridiculous.

Posted By: thebigfeller on January 21st 2010 at 11:42:25

Message Thread

Gunny (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Jan 21, 11:31:10
- Good post - not sure I agree with all of it - but GOOD post (n/m) (NCFC) - The Judge, Jan 21, 19:05:17
- he wanted the job (NCFC) - Charles21, Jan 21, 11:50:56
  - so did I (NCFC) - Tombs, Jan 21, 12:01:44
  - He was forced into it by Melissa (n/m) (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Jan 21, 11:54:19
  - Managers do not publicly tout themselves for any job (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Jan 21, 11:53:28
    - what rot (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Jan 21, 12:25:41
      - And what do Arry, Sam and managers who tout themselves for jobs (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Jan 21, 12:29:29
        
        many reports say that Fat Sam was so very, very close to being England Manager instead of (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Jan 21, 12:39:07
        
        No he bloody wasn't! (Allardyce, I mean) (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Jan 21, 12:44:31
        
        so Worthy didn't say anything about throwing his hat into rings in post match interviews? (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Jan 21, 13:00:57
        
        Indeed. Much of this seems to come down to annoyance with Gunn for wanting the job, really (n/m) (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Jan 21, 13:07:18
        
        If McClaren got the job because of the lack of English candidates (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Jan 21, 12:53:03
        
        He had no chance because of the Panoroma documentary (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Jan 21, 12:54:45
        
        which was aired a month after McLaren got the England job (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Jan 21, 13:07:39
        
        er, what are you on?? (NCFC) - Charles21, Jan 21, 12:49:06
        
        And the FA weren't happy about it. They appointed SCS for reasons of continuity (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Jan 21, 12:53:55
        
        hmm, I strongly doubt this (NCFC) - Charles21, Jan 21, 13:01:13
        
        What I was told at the time. Nothing I can prove (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Jan 21, 13:03:38
        
        *objectionable (n/m) (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Jan 21, 12:30:28
    - so him doing interviews stating he wanted the job (NCFC) - Charles21, Jan 21, 12:10:19
      - A lot of things he said when he got the job in Jan mirrored what he said in the Summer (NCFC) - iwans_ex_dentist, Jan 21, 12:14:33
      - His inability to see he'd done anything wrong at all makes him a wanker (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Jan 21, 12:11:41
        
        Agree with all you've said BF, the Gunn delusion carrys on (n/m) (NCFC) - curva nord, Jan 21, 12:26:01
        
        you're not wrong there bigfeller! (n/m) (NCFC) - Tombs, Jan 21, 12:19:57
- It's another reason I have no time for our board (NCFC) - pants, Jan 21, 11:49:18
  - wonder how well that will be recieved by the board? (NCFC) - Tombs, Jan 21, 12:04:24
  - Yes, I totally understand that. (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Jan 21, 11:52:13
    - Totally. I do feel the same as you too (NCFC) - pants, Jan 21, 11:53:49
      - What, a bit squidgy ? (n/m) (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Jan 21, 11:58:54
      - You loved him too much? (NCFC) - jamesward, Jan 21, 11:57:49
        
        arf (n/m) (NCFC) - Tombs, Jan 21, 12:05:35
        
        lol (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 21, 11:59:41
        
        he regrets the restraining order that prevents him from entering Norfolk (NCFC) - Yellalee, Jan 21, 11:59:09
        
        it all makes sense now (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 21, 12:03:13
        
        haha (n/m) (NCFC) - Yellalee, Jan 21, 11:58:05
      - and to be fair - you said that exact same thing when he was appointed (n/m) (NCFC) - Yellalee, Jan 21, 11:56:45
  - when have the board asked you for some? (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 21, 11:51:31
    - Go find someone else to argue with please (NCFC) - pants, Jan 21, 11:52:31
      - so they haven't (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 21, 11:53:44
        
        Brighton is town, and I hope you had a good xmas (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Jan 21, 11:54:20
- hmmm. I seem to remember people on here moaning about Hucks' 'outbursts' (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Jan 21, 11:43:56
  - ^^^ this guy has it spot on (NCFC) - Charles21, Jan 21, 11:51:57
  - I'm not looking for Gunn to say "I was shit" (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Jan 21, 11:49:18
    - Genuine question - how has he hinted he'd have had us in a similar position as Lambert? (n/m) (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Jan 21, 11:52:14
      - He was asked it on TV once (NCFC) - jamesward, Jan 21, 11:53:59
        
        that was when we'd just got into the play off places wasn't it? (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Jan 21, 12:03:32
  - Hucks was a right old blubber at times, but not really about his exit (n/m) (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Jan 21, 11:46:01
    - i don't think he blubbed at all about it (NCFC) - Tombs, Jan 21, 11:47:20
  - are you bumming him? (NCFC) - Tombs, Jan 21, 11:45:22
    - No, I'm not. (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Jan 21, 11:49:31
      - Club villain? Nah. Club villains are people like Chase, Muscat, or with some, (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Jan 21, 12:03:58
        
        well this was how it all started, but there's been plenty of stuff on here (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Jan 21, 12:08:20
        
        Yes. It is a lot to do with message boards - on which there's attention seeking as well as (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Jan 21, 12:10:38
        
        Overreaction? Surely not a "crushing sense of despair?" (n/m) (NCFC) - jamesward, Jan 21, 12:24:19
        
        But that wasn't an overreaction - and events proved me right (for once) (n/m) (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Jan 21, 12:27:24
        
        some of it is i suspect a bit of trollage and a bit of trollage reaction (NCFC) - Tombs, Jan 21, 12:14:01
        
        to be fair - you yourself are describing as "w*nker". Rather than "less of a hero". (n/m) (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Jan 21, 12:11:53
        
        Legend as player. Wanker right now. A balance will be found in time. (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Jan 21, 12:13:38
      - perhaps it's just this site. an opinion polariser more to do with posters attitudes (NCFC) - Tombs, Jan 21, 11:53:14
- Unfortunately I have to agree, and people can't help feel the way they feel, those who (NCFC) - stringersrevenge, Jan 21, 11:42:26
  - footballers generally (NCFC) - jayson blair, Jan 21, 11:54:10
    - were City in bottom 3 when Gunn took over? (NCFC) - BigDoh, Jan 21, 12:15:00
      - lol (n/m) (NCFC) - Charles21, Jan 21, 12:37:54
    - Agree on the self-awareness point. It's in the nature of the game (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Jan 21, 12:02:23
      - the numbers says that (NCFC) - jayson blair, Jan 21, 12:15:43
        
        I know about the numbers. I also know about the context though (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Jan 21, 12:18:56
        
        O'Neil = winning games & no atmosphere (NCFC) - jayson blair, Jan 21, 12:32:48
        
        Do I think a decent manager would've got us out of it last season? Yep. (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Jan 21, 12:37:12
        
        you wrote (NCFC) - jayson blair, Jan 21, 13:36:29
- Do you honestly think the Gunn era had serious consequences ? (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Jan 21, 11:36:20
  - I don't blame Gunn for relegation exactly (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Jan 21, 11:42:25
    - Of course, but I am just saying that while a bit of a circus, I am not sure that (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Jan 21, 11:45:41
    - I have a feeling that the 4-0 Cup win has left Gunn (NCFC) - jamesward, Jan 21, 11:45:12
      - My final word on Gunny. (NCFC) - jafski, Jan 21, 11:56:42
        
        And Gary Glitter couldn't choose his lawyers as well as Jackson (n/m) (NCFC) - BigDoh, Jan 21, 12:16:51
        
        Absolutely the final word from me (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Jan 21, 12:03:58
        
        yeah. Aside from the child rape comparison, I reckon that's probably spot on... (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Jan 21, 12:01:30
        
        And which will in time be what he will be remembered for. (n/m) (NCFC) - jafski, Jan 21, 12:04:28
        
        Cor. Too many wills and be's there, or am I just having a dyslectic moment ? (n/m) (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Jan 21, 12:06:00
        
        Yes. My Bad. Epic Fail. I've been pwned. (NCFC) - jafski, Jan 21, 12:12:17
- agree 100% (n/m) (NCFC) - selwyn, Jan 21, 11:32:29
  - Fuck Off (n/m) (NCFC) - Tombs, Jan 21, 11:32:53

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