Not just in terms of money. I mean in terms of how the entire club is run

Our scouting system has been a joke; our youth system only now bearing fruit after many years of nothing; the board openly acknowledge that they know little about football. At Newcastle, Shearer has Ashley over a barrel, and will require big, big changes to be committed to (not only financially) if he's to take the job. Otherwise, it just isn't worth the hassle for him.

In any board/manager relationship, some degree of friction is actually healthy. Hearts have progressed this season thanks to Csaba Laszlo playing a clever, delicate game with Vladimir Romanov, gaining his trust and slowly beginning to dictate terms to him. To a lesser extent, this was how Norwich progressed during Worthington's early years too. The better and more in demand a manager is, the more he can bend a board to his will: but given Gunn is hardly going to be appointed manager by any other club, his position is weak, and all he can do is just accept what he's given.

Posted By: thebigfeller on May 28th 2009 at 21:28:42

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Quite sensible by the club, really (NCFC) - thebigfeller, May 28, 19:47:18
- "Creo's breakdown" (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, May 28, 20:11:05
  - We've done our bit over the years with our support...... (NCFC) - Thrapwinkle, May 28, 20:20:04
    - Sure. I'm not meaning to criticise anyone who claims it (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, May 28, 20:23:34
      - I don't think anyone wants the club to fail (NCFC) - thebigfeller, May 28, 20:27:24
        
        Our guaranteed loyalty is taken advantage of again and again. (NCFC) - Thrapwinkle, May 28, 20:32:15
        
        the protests under Chase were about replacing him with something better (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, May 28, 20:29:31
        
        Not at this point, no. (NCFC) - thebigfeller, May 28, 20:32:57
        
        Well to answer that I need to strip out the patronising and the history lessons (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, May 28, 20:39:14
        
        I'm not patronising anyone. It's what you seem to be doing to be honest. (NCFC) - thebigfeller, May 28, 20:47:23
        
        well, we agree entirely about Gunn. (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, May 28, 20:57:55
        
        I think it'd take something much more drastic to send us into admin. (NCFC) - thebigfeller, May 28, 21:07:54
        
        what do you mean by this stuff about managers 'challenging them'? (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, May 28, 21:20:07
        
        Not just in terms of money. I mean in terms of how the entire club is run (NCFC) - thebigfeller, May 28, 21:28:42
        
        doesn't Roeder's appointment show that opinion (NCFC) - Charles21, May 28, 21:16:13
        
        Not at all. Roeder was thought by Newcastle and West Ham fans to be too nice (NCFC) - thebigfeller, May 28, 21:22:40
        
        ? (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, May 28, 21:25:04
        
        No no - I meant Munby and Doncaster made clear their belief (NCFC) - thebigfeller, May 28, 21:31:11
        
        I also seem to remember Delia saying (NCFC) - Charles21, May 28, 21:27:53
  - I think that with Delias new book the Foulger and potential fan investment (NCFC) - lovely old job, May 28, 20:14:58
    - sure, agree with that (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, May 28, 20:16:36
      - But these debates will sone turn into... (NCFC) - Small, May 28, 20:22:20
      - Creo's breakdown is simply a reminder of how little can be put towards the playing budget (NCFC) - thebigfeller, May 28, 20:21:29
        
        eh? You do realise he entirely made the numbers up? (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, May 28, 20:25:52
        
        The general point he was making was clear though (NCFC) - thebigfeller, May 28, 20:29:22
        
        I don't see why or how he demonstrated that (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, May 28, 20:31:57
        
        I'm not really bothered either way. (NCFC) - thebigfeller, May 28, 20:37:31
- I would like to see the breakdown but can't see any creo posts. (n/m) (NCFC) - lovely old job, May 28, 20:02:47
  - ... (NCFC) - thebigfeller, May 28, 20:04:25
    - thanks I read that on the pink un (n/m) (NCFC) - lovely old job, May 28, 20:10:23
- Transparency is what's needed (NCFC) - Bonzo, May 28, 19:53:52
  - Wouldn't make any difference if they did (NCFC) - Bryan Salad Surgery, May 28, 19:54:57
    - I think your new message board alias should be (NCFC) - Paul_Drake_PigFarmer, May 28, 20:21:53
    - Fungibility (NCFC) - Iwan Husarmi, May 28, 20:03:09
      - That would explain a lot (n/m) (NCFC) - Small, May 28, 20:10:48
    - I agree - but the greater the shortfall, the more the club suffers (NCFC) - thebigfeller, May 28, 20:00:06

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