well, we agree entirely about Gunn.

I guess we just fundamentally disagree about what the board are currently doing.

You suggest that it's basically business as usual there. I think that's wrong. It's desperation there, in my opinion.

Fundamentally, I think you believe that there are benefactors out there who would rescue the club - it's just a question of opening the door to them.

Whereas I think that's highly unlikely. And I think it's obvious that the current majority shareholders would run for the hills if they could.

As for operational decisions like choice of managers - well, people will disagree there. It's certainly not the case they they've made the same mistake time and again - Grant was a very different kind of catastrophic decision to Roeder, and Gunn is another one again.

And to come back to the point - I think that hoping that the fans will starve the club of cash, to somehow 'bring about something better', is at best highly risky. I think it'll only really work by putting us into admininstation, but given where we are now, it's not obvious we'd ever recover.

That really would be cutting off our own noses time.

Posted By: Tricky Hawes on May 28th 2009 at 20:57:55

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Quite sensible by the club, really (NCFC) - thebigfeller, May 28, 19:47:18
- "Creo's breakdown" (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, May 28, 20:11:05
  - We've done our bit over the years with our support...... (NCFC) - Thrapwinkle, May 28, 20:20:04
    - Sure. I'm not meaning to criticise anyone who claims it (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, May 28, 20:23:34
      - I don't think anyone wants the club to fail (NCFC) - thebigfeller, May 28, 20:27:24
        
        Our guaranteed loyalty is taken advantage of again and again. (NCFC) - Thrapwinkle, May 28, 20:32:15
        
        the protests under Chase were about replacing him with something better (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, May 28, 20:29:31
        
        Not at this point, no. (NCFC) - thebigfeller, May 28, 20:32:57
        
        Well to answer that I need to strip out the patronising and the history lessons (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, May 28, 20:39:14
        
        I'm not patronising anyone. It's what you seem to be doing to be honest. (NCFC) - thebigfeller, May 28, 20:47:23
        
        well, we agree entirely about Gunn. (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, May 28, 20:57:55
        
        I think it'd take something much more drastic to send us into admin. (NCFC) - thebigfeller, May 28, 21:07:54
        
        what do you mean by this stuff about managers 'challenging them'? (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, May 28, 21:20:07
        
        Not just in terms of money. I mean in terms of how the entire club is run (NCFC) - thebigfeller, May 28, 21:28:42
        
        doesn't Roeder's appointment show that opinion (NCFC) - Charles21, May 28, 21:16:13
        
        Not at all. Roeder was thought by Newcastle and West Ham fans to be too nice (NCFC) - thebigfeller, May 28, 21:22:40
        
        ? (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, May 28, 21:25:04
        
        No no - I meant Munby and Doncaster made clear their belief (NCFC) - thebigfeller, May 28, 21:31:11
        
        I also seem to remember Delia saying (NCFC) - Charles21, May 28, 21:27:53
  - I think that with Delias new book the Foulger and potential fan investment (NCFC) - lovely old job, May 28, 20:14:58
    - sure, agree with that (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, May 28, 20:16:36
      - But these debates will sone turn into... (NCFC) - Small, May 28, 20:22:20
      - Creo's breakdown is simply a reminder of how little can be put towards the playing budget (NCFC) - thebigfeller, May 28, 20:21:29
        
        eh? You do realise he entirely made the numbers up? (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, May 28, 20:25:52
        
        The general point he was making was clear though (NCFC) - thebigfeller, May 28, 20:29:22
        
        I don't see why or how he demonstrated that (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, May 28, 20:31:57
        
        I'm not really bothered either way. (NCFC) - thebigfeller, May 28, 20:37:31
- I would like to see the breakdown but can't see any creo posts. (n/m) (NCFC) - lovely old job, May 28, 20:02:47
  - ... (NCFC) - thebigfeller, May 28, 20:04:25
    - thanks I read that on the pink un (n/m) (NCFC) - lovely old job, May 28, 20:10:23
- Transparency is what's needed (NCFC) - Bonzo, May 28, 19:53:52
  - Wouldn't make any difference if they did (NCFC) - Bryan Salad Surgery, May 28, 19:54:57
    - I think your new message board alias should be (NCFC) - Paul_Drake_PigFarmer, May 28, 20:21:53
    - Fungibility (NCFC) - Iwan Husarmi, May 28, 20:03:09
      - That would explain a lot (n/m) (NCFC) - Small, May 28, 20:10:48
    - I agree - but the greater the shortfall, the more the club suffers (NCFC) - thebigfeller, May 28, 20:00:06

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