Many are still doing the same things in debating

talking about it from a manager/playing level

The people who hire and fire these guys are being allowed to get it wrong year after year

Debating the ins and outs of the people hired is fine, but the same people who hire and fire are getting it wrong

Hence it's not about being sarcastic or comparing what I think about this and that situation

The facts above all those things still remain

Posted By: pants on March 24th 2009 at 14:11:29

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For me, Carl Cort is just another reason why the board have nicely avoided blame (NCFC) - pants, Mar 24, 13:12:43
- Butterworth and Crook will be the management team next season (NCFC) - SussexCanary, Mar 24, 20:19:51
  - No way... (NCFC) - Bertie Biggins, Mar 25, 17:00:46
- So what's the solution pants/old git? Pull out millions of pounds our board doesn't have (NCFC) - stringersrevenge, Mar 24, 13:43:56
  - I agree with the rest of it, except the last paragraph (NCFC) - pants, Mar 24, 13:55:53
    - But let's start with the CE and chairman 1st, and see where we get to. Not the hand that (NCFC) - stringersrevenge, Mar 24, 13:57:17
  - I'll read all of this in a minute, but on your first paragraph, you pull the selling point (NCFC) - pants, Mar 24, 13:52:35
    - Pants when you heard all this back in 2000 (NCFC) - Bertie Biggins, Mar 24, 14:01:23
      - Once we get things right on the pitch (NCFC) - BerlinCanary, Mar 24, 14:03:37
        
        it's all the fans' fault (n/m) (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Mar 24, 15:23:24
        
        Good (n/m) (NCFC) - Bertie Biggins, Mar 24, 14:28:19
        
        TARAHHHHHHHH. On the head, exactly!!!! (n/m) (NCFC) - CB41, Mar 24, 14:08:31
        
        We don't give anyone long enough to get it right at the moment (NCFC) - pants, Mar 24, 14:07:46
    - Agreed, if another fan wants to part with a min of 30m then I'll be with you hand in hand (NCFC) - stringersrevenge, Mar 24, 13:55:54
      - I'm saying, if they are going to stick around, then they should grow some balls (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Mar 24, 13:57:40
- We can't keep up in this new 'football landscape' we don't have rich backers therefore... (NCFC) - Maillot Jaune, Mar 24, 13:37:35
  - spot on (n/m) (NCFC) - Cart Gap Disco, Mar 24, 13:41:49
- I don't buy that... (NCFC) - Cart Gap Disco, Mar 24, 13:32:24
  - I remember us wanting Ian Moore, and David Healy, but we ended up with Notman (NCFC) - pants, Mar 24, 13:35:01
    - Yeah in this season I wanted Huckerby, I wanted Lita on a perm and Ched and Tiny (NCFC) - stringersrevenge, Mar 24, 13:50:12
    - I don't understand what you are trying to argue (n/m) (NCFC) - Cart Gap Disco, Mar 24, 13:46:58
      - That the people at the top here panick too easily (NCFC) - pants, Mar 24, 13:59:24
        
        when you say always - do you mean like with Worthy? (n/m) (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Mar 24, 14:00:11
        
        Well it's one extreme to the next in getting it wrong isn't it? (NCFC) - pants, Mar 24, 14:03:22
        
        So, I think what you're saying is... (NCFC) - duke of york, Mar 24, 14:05:35
        
        Many are still doing the same things in debating (NCFC) - pants, Mar 24, 14:11:29
        
        the people who are hiring and firing these guys own the club (NCFC) - mr carra, Mar 24, 14:20:51
        
        Agree with all this (NCFC) - pants, Mar 24, 14:47:27
        
        But they own the club unless someone comes in to take over it their right to get it wrong (NCFC) - Maillot Jaune, Mar 24, 14:15:08
        
        Which is my point I guess (NCFC) - pants, Mar 24, 14:20:34
        
        you say they fail to learn but I disagree (NCFC) - mr carra, Mar 24, 14:25:55
        
        They oscillate wildly, don't they? (NCFC) - Yellalee, Mar 24, 14:31:09
        
        alot of it is luck (NCFC) - Charles21, Mar 24, 14:41:48
        
        I'll accept that perfectly when I see how Gunn rides pre season and next (NCFC) - pants, Mar 24, 14:29:38
        
        you mean when.. (NCFC) - mr carra, Mar 24, 14:33:22
        
        haha, I guess I just fear for him (NCFC) - pants, Mar 24, 14:38:25
        
        but that's the reality of lower league teams (NCFC) - Charles21, Mar 24, 14:42:21
        
        Its all opinions though isn't it....Worthy probably desrved at least one crack (NCFC) - Maillot Jaune, Mar 24, 14:10:57
        
        In saying that (NCFC) - pants, Mar 24, 14:16:08
        
        I agree with pants at this point, 100%. We simply HAVE to allow Gunn (NCFC) - megson, Mar 24, 14:41:17
        
        I disagree, there is interest in Clingan and Crofty, money will be freed up by fozzy, patt (NCFC) - Maillot Jaune, Mar 24, 14:54:13
        
        but if Gunn shows signs of building a team...not a collection of individuals then (NCFC) - Maillot Jaune, Mar 24, 14:29:21
        
        Yeah I agree (NCFC) - pants, Mar 24, 14:35:38
- Carl Cort is play as you play, whats the problem? (n/m) (NCFC) - conker, Mar 24, 13:31:41
  - And he scored against Wolluffss (n/m) (NCFC) - Old Git, Mar 24, 13:43:23
- Pants talking a certain amount of sense shock (NCFC) - Old Git, Mar 24, 13:20:26
  - "continuity is better than constant new managers" (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Mar 24, 13:27:30
    - I've never been impressed with the clubs which constantly chop and change (NCFC) - Old Git, Mar 24, 13:40:11
      - that isn't possible now because (bizarrely) fans have too much influence (NCFC) - mr carra, Mar 24, 14:11:14
        
        Yes, yes, yes. (not in a Meg Ryan way) (NCFC) - Yellalee, Mar 24, 14:20:56
        
        You're right there (NCFC) - duke of york, Mar 24, 14:23:55
      - But it was popular opionon. Worthy was given too much time in most peoples eyes. Grant was (NCFC) - stringersrevenge, Mar 24, 13:47:12
      - eh? Why would I want to have a go at you? (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Mar 24, 13:42:00
        
        (but my point was, once you realise you've got it wrong (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Mar 24, 13:44:59
        
        I agree with Mr Hawes (NCFC) - duke of york, Mar 24, 13:49:56
        
        agreed (n/m) (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Mar 24, 14:59:59
        
        agreed (NCFC) - mr carra, Mar 24, 13:56:30
        
        oops - very very *few* managers (n/m) (NCFC) - mr carra, Mar 24, 14:00:33
        
        agreed (n/m) (NCFC) - Yellalee, Mar 24, 13:52:05
    - See, there's always constant excuses for decisions made here (NCFC) - pants, Mar 24, 13:33:46
      - You can't have it both ways though pants (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Mar 24, 13:40:35
        
        No not really (NCFC) - pants, Mar 24, 13:48:56
        
        they may well try and have it both ways, but your position is inconsistent, pants (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Mar 24, 13:56:40
        
        my point is consistent (NCFC) - pants, Mar 24, 14:22:17
        
        Yes they probably have got it right once, so why give the wrong signings longer? (NCFC) - megson, Mar 24, 14:44:27
        
        Didn't Rioch screw it up? (NCFC) - mr carra, Mar 24, 15:03:03
        
        Dunno about Roeder (NCFC) - Old Git, Mar 24, 13:46:03
        
        I think he hated being told he was wrong (NCFC) - pants, Mar 24, 14:24:17
        
        "Gunny appears a bit more tactile." (NCFC) - Arizona Bay, Mar 24, 14:37:28
        
        genuine lol (n/m) (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Mar 24, 14:54:13
        
        I think you two basically agree (NCFC) - duke of york, Mar 24, 13:50:38
        
        I'm trying dead hard last foo days (NCFC) - pants, Mar 24, 14:49:28
  - Has to be the right manager though (NCFC) - duke of york, Mar 24, 13:23:52
    - Good point, or Anthony McPartlin (n/m) (NCFC) - malkybarkid, Mar 24, 13:39:53
    - They just have to make sure they don't do the wrong things, but do the right things instea (NCFC) - Arizona Bay, Mar 24, 13:29:08
- But if they don't *have* the x amount needed to buy the striker... (NCFC) - Arganth, Mar 24, 13:17:00
  - At the start of next season, if we aren't winning games (NCFC) - pants, Mar 24, 13:25:30
    - No it will probably confirm to us all that we are a league 1 side with delusions of (NCFC) - stringersrevenge, Mar 24, 13:51:56
      - ahh, but how can those delusions be true if we spend all this money and have (NCFC) - pants, Mar 24, 14:51:00
  - But WHY don't we have any money after two share issues and a season in the prem? (NCFC) - Old Git, Mar 24, 13:21:19
    - because we spent too much on players (NCFC) - mr carra, Mar 24, 13:48:25
      - Exactly...I want to get back to being a club that spots and develops youth and young playe (NCFC) - Maillot Jaune, Mar 24, 14:03:16
        
        That's why i'm clinging to the Cody thing - build em up, sell em on (NCFC) - Yellalee, Mar 24, 14:06:12
        
        that seems to be the approach Gunn is taking, Roeder seemed to be of the opposite view (NCFC) - Maillot Jaune, Mar 24, 14:13:41
        
        Its a great idea but the problem is that (NCFC) - Cart Gap Disco, Mar 24, 14:11:24
        
        The problem is that big clubs are buying the decent 15, 16 yo to sit in the youth teams ra (NCFC) - Maillot Jaune, Mar 24, 14:19:48
        
        True. From here the issue gets hoooge though, dunnit? (NCFC) - Yellalee, Mar 24, 14:17:01
      - Too much sense spoken (NCFC) - duke of york, Mar 24, 13:54:35
      - agreed (n/m) (NCFC) - Yellalee, Mar 24, 13:54:06
- Oh (n/m) (NCFC) - CB41, Mar 24, 13:13:07

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