Yes, rolling news and the web mainly
hence my "industry that ate itself". Until they find a way to make money out of their websites, then revenues will drop.
The web came along, content was made free, and it's been draining money from paid-for copies ever since.
As I say, it's partly unavoidable. However, the dash for cash at Archant started many years ago in the boom years, before the web was a problem, and when marketers and accountants took over the top posts from journalists.
Archant decided that they wanted to increase their return on turnover to a higher per cent (they were doing well, but they wanted to do better).
To do better they needed either to boost sales, or cut costs. It was easier to cut costs, so we saw the number of journalists beginning to dwindle. 20 years ago there were 10-12 journalists based in Yarmouth. Now I think it's 5. I may be two or three in future.
As the number of reporters reduced, so did the quality and size. The web has been the final nail, unless they can make it pay, in a coffin that Archant began constructing for itself in the early 90s.
Posted By: duke of york on March 7th 2009 at 14:24:22
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- the question is... (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Mar 7, 11:54:49
- who's your victim today? (General Chat) - pants, Mar 7, 13:13:47
- it's never been my intention to make you feel like a victim pants (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Mar 7, 13:34:26
- I was jesting (General Chat) - pants, Mar 7, 14:13:15
- the smiley face should've been the clue that i was jesting too... (n/m) (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Mar 7, 14:37:42
- anyhows (General Chat) - pants, Mar 7, 14:27:16
- i don't think you do know my viewpoint though pants (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Mar 7, 14:42:28
- I think I do (General Chat) - pants, Mar 7, 14:48:51
- That IS too contradictory (General Chat) - DJ Ginga, Mar 7, 14:48:10
- i admit it's neither easy or straightforward (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Mar 7, 15:43:32
- Nice post (General Chat) - DJ Ginga, Mar 7, 14:31:44
- i don't think you do know my viewpoint though pants (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Mar 7, 14:42:28
- Ah, someone who doesn't like me (General Chat) - duke of york, Mar 7, 13:37:29
- i have no particular feelings about you either way (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Mar 7, 13:46:03
- Well, you have taken a sarcastic pleasure in trying to (General Chat) - duke of york, Mar 7, 13:49:02
- perhaps i am being a cunt (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Mar 7, 14:03:04
- Haha (General Chat) - duke of york, Mar 7, 14:09:54
- "I really do think that we'll lose something if we lose proper news reporting." (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Mar 7, 14:33:23
- Indeed - it's making that pay that's important (General Chat) - duke of york, Mar 7, 14:34:48
- "I really do think that we'll lose something if we lose proper news reporting." (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Mar 7, 14:33:23
- Haha (General Chat) - duke of york, Mar 7, 14:09:54
- perhaps i am being a cunt (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Mar 7, 14:03:04
- Well, you have taken a sarcastic pleasure in trying to (General Chat) - duke of york, Mar 7, 13:49:02
- i have no particular feelings about you either way (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Mar 7, 13:46:03
- I was jesting (General Chat) - pants, Mar 7, 14:13:15
- He's not clever enough (n/m) (General Chat) - duke of york, Mar 7, 13:25:48
- it's never been my intention to make you feel like a victim pants (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Mar 7, 13:34:26
- Don't think I said they were (General Chat) - duke of york, Mar 7, 12:11:49
- oh ok, so they're the saviours of democracy only (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Mar 7, 12:46:20
- I'm a journalist and I resent that (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Mar 7, 13:51:16
- Are there job cuts on your paper Worzel? (General Chat) - duke of york, Mar 7, 13:56:02
- Yep, I'm in finance, so our clients are in deep shit (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Mar 7, 14:03:39
- I still don't understand (n/m) (General Chat) - Charles21, Mar 7, 13:53:04
- CBBC does a good news round up for people like you (n/m) (General Chat) - duke of york, Mar 7, 13:53:43
- Yeah I tried that a few times (General Chat) - Charles21, Mar 7, 13:58:16
- CBBC does a good news round up for people like you (n/m) (General Chat) - duke of york, Mar 7, 13:53:43
- Are there job cuts on your paper Worzel? (General Chat) - duke of york, Mar 7, 13:56:02
- Do you seriously think that reflects (General Chat) - duke of york, Mar 7, 13:25:11
- i'm not the one suggesting local journalists are somehow all holier than thou (n/m) (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Mar 7, 13:28:06
- Don't think I was suggesting that either (General Chat) - duke of york, Mar 7, 13:31:46
- you're the one throwing around insults (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Mar 7, 13:40:32
- I don't think I was blaming anything on evil capitalists either (General Chat) - duke of york, Mar 7, 13:43:41
- i'm referring to journalists as a whole (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Mar 7, 14:00:02
- I don't see how less journalists will do a better job (General Chat) - duke of york, Mar 7, 14:07:38
- times have changed though, there are so many different forms of media now that (General Chat) - Maillot Jaune, Mar 7, 14:17:40
- Yes, rolling news and the web mainly (General Chat) - duke of york, Mar 7, 14:24:22
- I've given my suggestion, for what it's worth, further down the board... (n/m) (General Chat) - DJ Ginga, Mar 7, 14:40:46
- I think it will have to come to charging (General Chat) - duke of york, Mar 7, 14:44:11
- Exactly. And we'll have to like it or (they'll) lump it. (n/m) (General Chat) - DJ Ginga, Mar 7, 14:51:23
- i thought many of the nationals binned their subscription services? (n/m) (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Mar 7, 14:46:49
- Yeah, they did (General Chat) - duke of york, Mar 7, 14:54:33
- One day we'll be paying for Google. Then we'll be proper fucked. (n/m) (General Chat) - DJ Ginga, Mar 7, 14:57:23
- Yeah, they did (General Chat) - duke of york, Mar 7, 14:54:33
- I think it will have to come to charging (General Chat) - duke of york, Mar 7, 14:44:11
- I've given my suggestion, for what it's worth, further down the board... (n/m) (General Chat) - DJ Ginga, Mar 7, 14:40:46
- Yes, rolling news and the web mainly (General Chat) - duke of york, Mar 7, 14:24:22
- Nicely put (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Mar 7, 14:12:49
- times have changed though, there are so many different forms of media now that (General Chat) - Maillot Jaune, Mar 7, 14:17:40
- You're wrong. SOME people have a problem with journalists because (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Mar 7, 14:05:49
- I don't see how less journalists will do a better job (General Chat) - duke of york, Mar 7, 14:07:38
- totally agree DoY (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Mar 7, 13:53:53
- perhaps i'm just highlighting the reality that journalists aren't very well liked (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Mar 7, 14:12:07
- By whom? I've never had any grief whatsoever (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Mar 7, 14:16:32
- Me too (General Chat) - duke of york, Mar 7, 14:17:51
- they still do ;) (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Mar 7, 14:46:29
- that's why the rest of us Wrath... (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Mar 7, 15:55:35
- they still do ;) (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Mar 7, 14:46:29
- Me too (General Chat) - duke of york, Mar 7, 14:17:51
- Actually, bankers have now slipped to the top (or bottom) (General Chat) - duke of york, Mar 7, 14:13:54
- By whom? I've never had any grief whatsoever (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Mar 7, 14:16:32
- Have to say I agree with DoY too. (n/m) (General Chat) - DJ Ginga, Mar 7, 13:59:18
- perhaps i'm just highlighting the reality that journalists aren't very well liked (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Mar 7, 14:12:07
- i'm referring to journalists as a whole (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Mar 7, 14:00:02
- I don't think I was blaming anything on evil capitalists either (General Chat) - duke of york, Mar 7, 13:43:41
- you're the one throwing around insults (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Mar 7, 13:40:32
- Don't think I was suggesting that either (General Chat) - duke of york, Mar 7, 13:31:46
- i'm not the one suggesting local journalists are somehow all holier than thou (n/m) (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Mar 7, 13:28:06
- I'm a journalist and I resent that (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Mar 7, 13:51:16
- oh ok, so they're the saviours of democracy only (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Mar 7, 12:46:20
- who's your victim today? (General Chat) - pants, Mar 7, 13:13:47
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