I know it is controversial but..

I think Sven was the best England manager ever.

People moan that he didn't win a big tournament but in one of those (2002) we only lost in hideous heat to the eventual winners and the other two we only got knocked out on penalties (hardly his fault that English players are penalty chokers).

His competitive record was awesome given a squad of generally overhyped players almost completely lacking in pace/flair and anyone left-footed.

Who was better? Ramsey won a WC in dubious circumstances on home soil when he didn't have to qualify and only 16 teams made the Finals (and Brazil were allowed to be kicked out of it). And he cocked up Big Time in 1970.

Robson seemingly did well in 1990 (though in truth we were crap in the group games and a tad fortunate against Belgium and Cameroon), but it shouldn't be forgotten he was in charge of the 1988 Euros fiasco.

Nobody else has done anything worth mentioning.

Posted By: mr carra on March 21st 2007 at 10:21:44

Message Thread

If we lose to Israel this weekend, and don't qualify for the Euros.... (Other Football) - Tricky Hawes, Mar 21, 09:48:18
- Satdee is going to be a bit uncomfortable for England I think (n/m) (Other Football) - shoddy, Mar 21, 10:31:09
  - Draw I reckon (n/m) (Other Football) - pants, Mar 21, 11:01:04
  - More than a bit. I think we'll be lucky to win there (n/m) (Other Football) - Tricky Hawes, Mar 21, 10:32:48
- I know it is controversial but.. (Other Football) - mr carra, Mar 21, 10:21:44
  - I agree with that. (Other Football) - Tricky Hawes, Mar 21, 10:26:40
    - Sven was good up to a point (Other Football) - duke of york, Mar 21, 10:46:10
      - maybe he didn't have a Plan B because... (Other Football) - mr carra, Mar 21, 10:55:12
- His time was up, he was easily led by the stars of the team, and (Other Football) - pants, Mar 21, 10:17:09
  - evidence he was led by the stars? (n/m) (Other Football) - Charles21, Mar 21, 10:18:12
    - Other obvious evidence was caving in to Wenger over Walcott (n/m) (Other Football) - pants, Mar 21, 10:26:40
      - that's nonsense. Why would he give a toss about Wenger? (n/m) (Other Football) - Tricky Hawes, Mar 21, 10:27:22
        
        Wenger got his way though, a player that is now only just good enough for the prem (Other Football) - pants, Mar 21, 10:36:28
        
        since Sven had already clearly decided... (Other Football) - mr carra, Mar 21, 10:41:42
        
        Should have taken Defoe instead of Walcott if he wanted pace (n/m) (Other Football) - Brom, Mar 21, 10:47:00
        
        Maybe but that's a choice between... (Other Football) - mr carra, Mar 21, 10:53:30
        
        He's hardly been given a chance for England! (Other Football) - Brom, Mar 21, 11:01:47
        
        If he was really international class, he'd have won a regular place (Other Football) - Tricky Hawes, Mar 21, 11:03:06
        
        Unfortunate situation at Spurs, Defoe needs to move on (Other Football) - pants, Mar 21, 11:05:10
        
        Yup. Although I think he'll get another chance at a bigger club than Charlton (Other Football) - Tricky Hawes, Mar 21, 11:06:40
        
        Maybe, but it wouldn't have made any difference (Other Football) - Tricky Hawes, Mar 21, 10:50:46
        
        Maybe (n/m) (Other Football) - Brom, Mar 21, 10:51:54
        
        agree absolutely with that. (n/m) (Other Football) - Tricky Hawes, Mar 21, 10:44:50
    - You couldn't pick a paper up leading up to the WC without (Other Football) - pants, Mar 21, 10:24:54
      - but beckham was somehow involved (Other Football) - megson, Mar 21, 10:37:11
        
        Agree, yet a man waiting behind the wings who could see all that from (Other Football) - pants, Mar 21, 10:54:13
        
        Thats because you have to play your best TEAM (Other Football) - DiscoDaleGordon, Mar 21, 10:56:12
        
        The FA must fear that if Lampard gets dropped, Ginsters will rethink their sponsorship (n/m) (Other Football) - pants, Mar 21, 10:57:27
        
        lol good points though (Other Football) - megson, Mar 21, 11:08:14
      - Partly true (Other Football) - mr carra, Mar 21, 10:30:00
        
        This is what I mean about the fans and media, any suggestion of Hargreaves (Other Football) - pants, Mar 21, 10:37:56
        
        Absolutely (Other Football) - Tricky Hawes, Mar 21, 10:32:18
      - So what? (Other Football) - Charles21, Mar 21, 10:28:57
        
        Beckham has been awful in la liga the last two seasons (Other Football) - pants, Mar 21, 10:34:11
        
        If he was that awful, Capello wouldn't have wanted to pick him (Other Football) - Tricky Hawes, Mar 21, 10:37:45
        
        He was getting desperate, squad and injury, one game capello picked a (Other Football) - pants, Mar 21, 10:48:33
        
        So Beckham is the Real Madrid version of Uncle Peter? (n/m) (Other Football) - Brom, Mar 21, 10:51:33
        
        slowed down, tries harder, gets injured (Other Football) - pants, Mar 21, 11:03:08
        
        I think he knows that aswell (n/m) (Other Football) - DiscoDaleGordon, Mar 21, 11:10:36
        
        No (Other Football) - DiscoDaleGordon, Mar 21, 10:53:51
        
        awful for England for longer (Other Football) - mr carra, Mar 21, 10:37:42
        
        I'd like to see Lennon become a guaranteed starter from now (Other Football) - Tricky Hawes, Mar 21, 10:43:50
        
        Like in the last matches with SWP? (Other Football) - Charles21, Mar 21, 10:40:39
        
        Thats cause SWP is not international class (Other Football) - DiscoDaleGordon, Mar 21, 10:46:00
        
        SWP could be given a run in a premiership side (n/m) (Other Football) - Brom, Mar 21, 10:48:33
        
        I doubt it (Other Football) - DiscoDaleGordon, Mar 21, 10:52:58
        
        they haven't been great true (Other Football) - mr carra, Mar 21, 10:45:52
- I always thought he was good (Other Football) - Charles21, Mar 21, 10:13:22
  - England can spend the rest of their football history looking back in hindsight over (Other Football) - pants, Mar 21, 10:56:18
    - agree 100% (Other Football) - megson, Mar 21, 11:09:47
- partly (Other Football) - megson, Mar 21, 09:58:40
- Svens record was good (Other Football) - DiscoDaleGordon, Mar 21, 09:50:01
- It would just go to show what a truely awful manager McLaren really is (n/m) (Other Football) - Brom, Mar 21, 09:49:42
  - Agreed. Sven was bad but McLaren is awful (n/m) (Other Football) - Bob in France, Mar 21, 09:50:16
    - But maybe Sven wasn't? (Other Football) - Tricky Hawes, Mar 21, 09:51:44
    - Sven wasn't bad (n/m) (Other Football) - Brom, Mar 21, 09:51:15
      - What he said... (Other Football) - Brom, Mar 21, 09:51:40
        
        I was agreeing with you, not he. (Other Football) - Bob in France, Mar 21, 09:53:25

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