pants, you'll get cross, but that is utter bollox

if a player steps on someone accidentally, it's not a red card.

Players who go to ground often get stepped on - it's a hazard of making a sliding tackle, for example. And of course it's not an automatic red for the player still standing.

In this case, intent is all. I don't think we can ever know for sure whether he meant it - I don't think he did, but that's just an opinion.

But what's for sure is that it's intent that matters.

Posted By: Tricky Hawes on July 4th 2006 at 10:15:45

Message Thread

Argie ref says Rooney got a red for the stamp (Other Football) - pants, Jul 4, 09:51:36
- Another thing, why did they get the free kick? (Other Football) - DiscoDaleGordon, Jul 4, 10:20:19
  - The use of "cheating foreign cunt" perhaps let's down your argument (n/m) (Other Football) - Fierce Panda, Jul 4, 10:22:12
    - I think it adds class, actually (n/m) (Other Football) - Old Git, Jul 4, 10:23:51
      - Yes, but you're old and senile... (Other Football) - Fierce Panda, Jul 4, 10:34:14
        
        You have a bitter tone this morning (n/m) (Other Football) - Old Git, Jul 4, 10:39:42
    - Why? (Other Football) - DiscoDaleGordon, Jul 4, 10:23:20
      - We have players that dive and fall over pretty easily when wearing an England shirt... (Other Football) - Fierce Panda, Jul 4, 10:30:18
        
        I agree that the "odd" England player does go down easily (Other Football) - DiscoDaleGordon, Jul 4, 10:56:35
        
        Another thing - Ricardo Cavarlleho (SP!!??) (Other Football) - DiscoDaleGordon, Jul 4, 11:01:52
        
        We do it about 2% of what they do though (n/m) (Other Football) - duke of york, Jul 4, 10:33:41
        
        Give me the stats that back that up and I'll believe you (n/m) (Other Football) - Fierce Panda, Jul 4, 10:34:47
        
        here are some! (Other Football) - raretek, Jul 4, 12:03:13
        
        They're in my head (Other Football) - duke of york, Jul 4, 10:39:00
        
        Haregoo (Other Football) - Old Git, Jul 4, 10:38:16
- Easy to say after seeing the incident dozens of times (Other Football) - WorthyHatesFans, Jul 4, 10:05:24
  - I think it was a pretty weird red card (Other Football) - Tricky Hawes, Jul 4, 10:07:11
    - The incident is so black and white, I barely believe it's contested (Other Football) - pants, Jul 4, 10:12:57
      - If its an accident it is not a red card. You can dispute that surely (n/m) (Other Football) - earlydoors, Jul 4, 10:18:03
        
        What I mean is, if you can pick the bones out of an incident like that (Other Football) - pants, Jul 4, 10:34:12
        
        100% agree with that last line (n/m) (Other Football) - DiscoDaleGordon, Jul 4, 10:58:07
        
        no-one has suggested we'd have won without the red (Other Football) - Tricky Hawes, Jul 4, 10:54:39
        
        Why do people bother talking to pants about England? (Other Football) - duke of york, Jul 4, 10:58:25
        
        that's not the point, If Rooney was still on the pitch he may have been able to mis-kick a (Other Football) - lovely old job, Jul 4, 10:40:32
        
        Got to be honest first time I didn't even see the stamp (n/m) (Other Football) - duke of york, Jul 4, 10:35:27
      - I don't think that's right actually (Other Football) - Old Git, Jul 4, 10:16:41
      - pants, you'll get cross, but that is utter bollox (Other Football) - Tricky Hawes, Jul 4, 10:15:45
        
        I think he meant (not cos I hate man utd or whatever) (Other Football) - pants, Jul 4, 10:28:07
        
        So I think you are now accepting that if it WAS an accident it was not a red card? (Other Football) - Old Git, Jul 4, 10:33:21
    - It *looked* as though the push tipped him over (Other Football) - WorthyHatesFans, Jul 4, 10:11:57
    - At the time I thought it was the push that made his mind up. (Other Football) - Arizona Bay, Jul 4, 10:11:04
    - I think pants has it right... (Other Football) - Declan, Jul 4, 10:10:13
      - I think that's utter conjecture and has no evidence at all (Other Football) - WorthyHatesFans, Jul 4, 10:15:07
      - "he waited to see how the situation developed before deciding what to do" (Other Football) - Tricky Hawes, Jul 4, 10:11:26
        
        Sorry, not what I meant there... (Other Football) - Declan, Jul 4, 11:18:56
        
        I think the push made up his mind but to be honest the Ref was biased from the start (n/m) (Other Football) - Duck and Chips, Jul 4, 10:30:14
        
        I think it was the right decision and he perhaps should face a 4 game ban (n/m) (Other Football) - Brandonio, Jul 4, 10:13:19
        
        But you hate England (Other Football) - Old Git, Jul 4, 10:17:34
        
        How predictable (n/m) (Other Football) - WorthyHatesFans, Jul 4, 10:16:15
        
        It was an opinion, not a prediction :) (n/m) (Other Football) - pants, Jul 4, 11:06:05
        
        Harsh. (n/m) (Other Football) - Arizona Bay, Jul 4, 10:14:31
        
        you can't go round stamping on people (n/m) (Other Football) - Brandonio, Jul 4, 10:15:34
        
        no but darling wayne, butter wouldn't melt doesn't normally do things like that (Other Football) - pants, Jul 4, 11:06:47
        
        thats right - a sharp kick in the bollocks is far better (n/m) (Other Football) - Duck and Chips, Jul 4, 10:28:47
        
        I don't go around stamping on people. (Other Football) - Arizona Bay, Jul 4, 10:21:18
        
        LOL (n/m) (Other Football) - Duck and Chips, Jul 4, 10:27:05
        
        So are you telling us that at school (Other Football) - Old Git, Jul 4, 10:24:34
        
        Lalalalalalalala, we're not listening (Other Football) - Old Git, Jul 4, 10:21:15
        
        haha not yet (n/m) (Other Football) - Brandonio, Jul 4, 10:23:08
        
        but you don't know it was deliberate (n/m) (Other Football) - duke of york, Jul 4, 10:18:18
        
        You can't go around behaving like a cunt like your junky hero (Other Football) - WorthyHatesFans, Jul 4, 10:17:17
        
        When have I said how Doherty behaves is OK? (n/m) (Other Football) - Brandonio, Jul 4, 10:22:31
        
        What about if you were doing the Boxer Beat at the time? (n/m) (Other Football) - Fierce Panda, Jul 4, 10:17:07
        
        lol (n/m) (Other Football) - lovely old job, Jul 4, 10:21:47
        
        Is that something that only old people get? (Other Football) - Arizona Bay, Jul 4, 10:23:38
        
        Doing the Boxer Beat involved a lot of stamping in big ole boots (n/m) (Other Football) - Fierce Panda, Jul 4, 10:31:36
        
        probably (n/m) (Other Football) - lovely old job, Jul 4, 10:27:15
        
        Like your Billy Vanilli "joke" the other day, dude (n/m) (Other Football) - Old Git, Jul 4, 10:25:17
        
        girl you know it's true (n/m) (Other Football) - Duck and Chips, Jul 4, 10:31:20
- If Rooney had been caught on camera giving someone a headbutt before the game started (Other Football) - Old Git, Jul 4, 10:04:45
  - agree, agree, agree. (n/m) (Other Football) - lovely old job, Jul 4, 10:06:11
  - who did Ronaldo head-butt? (n/m) (Other Football) - Tricky Hawes, Jul 4, 10:05:23
    - A gentle one, but a butt nonetheless (n/m) (Other Football) - WorthyHatesFans, Jul 4, 10:08:02
    - Rooney (n/m) (Other Football) - lovely old job, Jul 4, 10:06:41
      - really? I've completely missed this. And it happened before the game? (n/m) (Other Football) - Tricky Hawes, Jul 4, 10:08:17
        
        Yes. (Other Football) - Worf55, Jul 4, 10:11:39
        
        Rooney standing in the centre circle, a Portugese player went up to him & said something & (Other Football) - lovely old job, Jul 4, 10:10:30
        
        here it is...at the end of this... (Other Football) - Brandonio, Jul 4, 10:12:31
        
        Got to feel for the lad with the squashed tezzers though ... (Other Football) - Arizona Bay, Jul 4, 10:12:02
        
        Kebab bollock. (n/m) (Other Football) - lovely old job, Jul 4, 10:12:46
        
        Should have finished them off in my opinion little sh*te (n/m) (Other Football) - Duck and Chips, Jul 4, 10:35:49
- You have to pay a hefty price with Royal Mail these days. (n/m) (Other Football) - lovely old job, Jul 4, 09:53:07

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