I get where you’re coming from but it’s not straightforward
“Even in general, without the bad actors, the internet has exposed anybody born after about 1995 to have a much wider understanding of the rest of the world. When I grew up we relied on what we were told by adults living in the UK, in newspapers, books, by teachers and by watching TV. We all had the same or similar exposure, or lack thereof, to other countries and cultures.”
Fair point, but it’s not true to say we had the same or similar exposure. There were fewer sources, true, but the use that different people could make of them varied widely depending on many reasons, such as education, social class and much more. That’s still very much the case - I took kids on residential trips abroad for over 30 years and the difference in their individual experiences was huge.
“Anybody approaching 30 these days has been able to chat to people, and see how people live all over the world their entire lives. Many would naturally feel more of a citizen of the world than of their small island, and so the culture they associate to tends to be tribal in terms of different grouping than on a national level - whether it be political, sports, hobbies, interests, philosophy, activism, etc.”
And yet, some of those tribal associations can be very parochial and isolated.
“I think ironically this is also why we see a lot more isolation and alienation in our younger generations. They are also exposed constantly to increasingly sophisticated disinformation. They see both utopian and demonic portrayals of other countries, and can struggle to understand what is truth and what is not, and how to relate that to what they are seeing and experiencing in their life in the UK.”
Absolutely, and this led to polarisation in the opinions I heard from kids on a daily basis in schools.
“Imagine how religiosity in the UK has changed over the last 200 years. That's also a massive change. Our great grandparents would likely be appalled at the lack of Christianity.”
I think there’s been quite an increase in religious affiliation in the UK over the last few years, some of it quite fundamental in attitudes.
“The younger generations look at the world differently than the grey population and I think any sense of national identity has to be different as well. And one has to ask, is it even necessary? Strangely enough you touched on probably the one use case for it - fighting for your country.”
They always have, haven’t they? That’s often, but not always, a good thing.
It’s an interesting area, and Louis Theroux’s Manosphere documentary brought it into public consciousness again. In teaching there has been much training on extremism and diversity over the last 20 years or so. So much of it comes down to needing a sense of belonging, especially young people.
Posted By: APB on April 1st 2026 at 18:46:28
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- Ipswich Town news (Other Football) - norwaay, Apr 1, 13:34:03
- Yep the left = "cancel culture". Investigate the all the de-banking under the dems (n/m) (Other Football) - Musky, Apr 1, 19:36:55
- 🇺🇳 🖤 🏳️🌈 🏳 🏳️⚧️ ☮️ 🌎 🤍 ✌️ (n/m) (Other Football) - Lentil Weaver, Apr 1, 20:45:17
- Absolutely no chance anyone in East Anglia will vote for Reform. (Other Football) - shoddy, Apr 1, 14:21:58
- 7/10....you did get the usual shlubz to bite.... (Other Football) - usacanary, Apr 1, 16:07:52
- Same old faeces (n/m) (Other Football) - APB, Apr 1, 17:15:49
- Harsh but true.... (Other Football) - usacanary, Apr 1, 17:33:57
- Same old faeces (n/m) (Other Football) - APB, Apr 1, 17:15:49
- It's about diversity Shoddy. Farage is antidiversity and football clubs are pro-diverstity (Other Football) - Cable Gap Pioneer, Apr 1, 15:18:07
- Pretty much everyone is in favour of diversity (Other Football) - paulg, Apr 1, 16:26:16
- I think what gets missed here is that (Other Football) - Legacy Fan, Apr 1, 17:29:43
- I didn't say it was bad, or unprecedented; I said that we need to find a shared sense (Other Football) - paulg, Apr 1, 17:49:29
- Why is this needed in its old form? Why can this not evolve? (Other Football) - Legacy Fan, Apr 1, 18:14:31
- I get where you’re coming from but it’s not straightforward (Other Football) - APB, Apr 1, 18:46:28
- Well no it's not straightforward - I was asking more questions than providing answers, but (Other Football) - Legacy Fan, Apr 1, 19:31:41
- There was something I didn’t intend (Other Football) - APB, Apr 1, 19:52:18
- Well no it's not straightforward - I was asking more questions than providing answers, but (Other Football) - Legacy Fan, Apr 1, 19:31:41
- I get where you’re coming from but it’s not straightforward (Other Football) - APB, Apr 1, 18:46:28
- Why is this needed in its old form? Why can this not evolve? (Other Football) - Legacy Fan, Apr 1, 18:14:31
- I didn't say it was bad, or unprecedented; I said that we need to find a shared sense (Other Football) - paulg, Apr 1, 17:49:29
- I don’t think (pretty much) everyone is in favour of it (Other Football) - APB, Apr 1, 17:21:56
- Exactly, and Farage and Reform are very much not in favour of diversity, racial or sexual (n/m) (Other Football) - Cable Gap Pioneer, Apr 1, 18:14:58
- "the varieties of diversity that are good or bad" (Other Football) - Legacy Fan, Apr 1, 17:17:57
- Agree with the sentiment if not the whole content (Other Football) - norwaay, Apr 1, 16:55:59
- the issue with britishness (Other Football) - paulg, Apr 1, 17:37:49
- You can't take everything away & replace it with nothing (Other Football) - Legacy Fan, Apr 1, 18:19:17
- the issue with britishness (Other Football) - paulg, Apr 1, 17:37:49
- i said something similar a few weeks back ..... (Other Football) - ghostof barry butler, Apr 1, 16:48:11
- Excellent post (Other Football) - Old Git, Apr 1, 16:34:24
- I think what gets missed here is that (Other Football) - Legacy Fan, Apr 1, 17:29:43
- Pretty much everyone is in favour of diversity (Other Football) - paulg, Apr 1, 16:26:16
- Really? (n/m) (Other Football) - APB, Apr 1, 15:03:55
- Green don’t you mean (n/m) (Other Football) - Ken Breadstick, Apr 1, 14:39:17
- Lots of Green placards in my village (Other Football) - jamesward, Apr 1, 14:41:45
- FFS , think of all the trees they cut down to make those.... (n/m) (Other Football) - usacanary, Apr 1, 18:20:26
- The only placards I've seen so far are Green (n/m) (Other Football) - norwaay, Apr 1, 14:44:17
- Lots of Green placards in my village (Other Football) - jamesward, Apr 1, 14:41:45
- So weird (n/m) (Other Football) - jamesward, Apr 1, 14:24:50
- Shoddy! ffs man. (n/m) (Other Football) - norwaay, Apr 1, 14:24:14
- Oh joy (n/m) (Other Football) - SCC 28, Apr 1, 14:22:50
- 7/10....you did get the usual shlubz to bite.... (Other Football) - usacanary, Apr 1, 16:07:52
- To be fair Farage is right there. As funny as I found the whole episode (Other Football) - Jim, Apr 1, 13:38:13
- ‘Other views?’ (Other Football) - Nelsons final flanel, Apr 1, 21:09:07
- But expressing concern that a club aligns itself with Reform is hard left? (Other Football) - APB, Apr 1, 15:07:49
- I think you've moved a little off topic there, Jim. (Other Football) - norwaay, Apr 1, 13:46:43
- Most people are not far right like Farage (Other Football) - SCC 28, Apr 1, 13:44:05
- You don’t know that but (Other Football) - Legacy Fan, Apr 1, 14:00:38
- Nailed it (n/m) (Other Football) - jamesward, Apr 1, 14:17:41
- Always found it bizarre how important an issue immigration is to voters (Other Football) - SCC 28, Apr 1, 14:16:54
- It’s because there is a powerful propaganda that tells them (Other Football) - Knitted Jesus, Apr 1, 14:52:58
- It's no comfort, but it's not just us (Other Football) - jamesward, Apr 1, 15:03:06
- Because they are told that’s the problem. There’s no intellectual curiosity. (Other Football) - Legacy Fan, Apr 1, 14:32:11
- It's an invasion don't you know? (Other Football) - jamesward, Apr 1, 14:19:13
- It’s because there is a powerful propaganda that tells them (Other Football) - Knitted Jesus, Apr 1, 14:52:58
- 🤝 (n/m) (Other Football) - norwaay, Apr 1, 14:12:04
- You don’t know that but (Other Football) - Legacy Fan, Apr 1, 14:00:38
- But it’s ok to shut down anyone with vague concerns about Reform and its impact on (Other Football) - Legacy Fan, Apr 1, 13:42:29
- And my phone strikes again (Other Football) - Legacy Fan, Apr 1, 13:42:52
- Yep the left = "cancel culture". Investigate the all the de-banking under the dems (n/m) (Other Football) - Musky, Apr 1, 19:36:55
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