As I said last night this is the consequence of political culture and dehumanisation
This is a good read:
Today's fatal shooting of Charlie Kirk at Utah Valley University comes just three months after Minnesota House Speaker Emerita Melissa Hortman was assassinated in her home -- two leaders from different parties and opposing ideological perspectives, both silenced by acts of political violence. Kirk, the 31-year-old founder of Turning Point USA, was shot and killed while speaking at an event in Orem, Utah, while Hortman, a 55-year-old Democratic leader of the Minnesota House, was assassinated alongside her husband Mark in a politically motivated attack by a far-right extremist on June 14. The fatal shootings of Hortman and Kirk, a legislative leader and a political activist, are a stark reminder of how dangerous extremism and political animosity can become when left unchecked.
Kirk was addressing a crowd at his "American Comeback Tour" event when he was killed. The right-wing political activist, whose organization promoted conservative politics on college campuses, had become one of the most prominent voices in the conservative youth movement. Three months earlier, Vance Boelter, a far-right extremist disguised as a law enforcement officer, killed Representative Hortman and her husband, and seriously wounded State Senator John Hoffman and his wife Yvette. Authorities found a list in Boelter's vehicle containing nearly 70 potential targets, including abortion providers and Democratic lawmakers across multiple states. Both victims, Kirk and Hortman, represented the diverse range of political leaders now under threat.
The scope of this crisis cannot be ignored. According to the Center for Strategic and International Studies, between 2016 and 2025, there were 25 attacks and threats targeting elected officials, political candidates, judges and government employees that were motivated by partisan beliefs. For comparison, only two such incidents were reported in the two previous decades. The increase in partisan attacks spans the ideological spectrum but has done little to lower the temperature in political rhetoric.
Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro, a Democrat whose home was attacked and set ablaze in April while his family slept inside, condemned today's tragedy in unequivocal terms: "Political violence has no place in our country. We must speak with moral clarity. The attack on Charlie Kirk is horrifying and this growing type of unconscionable violence cannot be allowed in our society".
The words and actions of our political leaders in the coming days will prove consequential. Lilliana Mason, Professor of Political Science at Johns Hopkins University and co-author of "Radical American Partisanship: Mapping Violent Hostility, Its Causes, and the Consequences for Democracy," warns that how leaders respond to these attacks will determine whether violence escalates or subsides.
"It really does depend on how leadership frames it for their supporters," Mason said. "To the extent that leaders are framing this as something that needs to be retaliated against, I think that creates a huge opportunity for really bad things to happen. If the cycle of retaliatory violence gets started, it's really hard to stop it."
Yet even as leaders call for unity, the challenge remains addressing the rhetoric that experts say fuels such violence. In a speech after Kirk's shooting today, Trump declared that Americans and the media need to “confront the fact that violence and murder are the tragic consequence of demonizing those with whom you disagree.” However, to many Americans, Trump's words ring hollow.
Trump has referred to political opponents as "vermin" that needed to be "[rooted] out"; called judges "monsters"; and, in a Memorial Day social media post, described those Americans who oppose his policies as "scum" and accused them of "trying to destroy our country." Trump's highly charged language explicitly demonizes his political opponents such as when he described them last October as an "enemy from within" that is "more dangerous than China, Russia, and all those countries."
His aggressive, divisive, and dehumanizing rhetoric toward those who disagree with him -- often labelling them as "enemies" and "traitors" -- is viewed by many experts as inflaming such extremism and contributing to the normalization of political violence. An analysis of Trump's speeches over the past ten years by UCLA political scientists found that not only has his use of violent language increased over time but that it surpassed that of nearly all other politicians studied from democratic countries.
In addition to his often extremist rhetoric, Trump has demonstrated a willingness to absolve acts of physical violence to advance his political interests. In a deeply troubling indication of his priorities, Trump made pardoning the January 6 attackers one of his very first acts upon returning to office. On his first day in office, Trump granted full pardons to all those convicted in the January 6 attack, over 1,500 rioters in total, including the 123 individuals charged with using a deadly or dangerous weapon or causing serious bodily injury to a police officer.
Equally concerning is how political violence, once unleashed, can become a pretext for authoritarian overreach. History shows that leaders with autocratic tendencies often exploit acts of political violence to justify crackdowns on civil liberties, suppress dissent, and consolidate power. From the Reichstag Fire that enabled Hitler's rise to emergency powers, to modern strongmen who use security threats to silence opposition and restrict press freedoms, political violence creates a cycle where democratic norms erode from both ends.
A recent study by political scientist James Piazza found that countries where politicians used hate speech 'often' or 'extremely often' experienced an average of 107.9 domestic terrorist attacks compared to just 12.5 attacks in countries where politicians rarely used such language. Republican lawmakers have largely remained silent about or defended such rhetoric, despite warnings from security experts about its potential to inspire violence.
There is no question of whether politicians across the spectrum will condemn today's violence; the question remains, however, if they will take steps to end such harmful rhetoric, especially the flames of discord emanating from the nation's highest office, that is helping to drive such violent extremism.
Posted By: Knitted Jesus on September 11th 2025 at 08:02:06
Message Thread
- This board has turned into a pretty revolting place. (NCFC) - fal5taff, Sep 11, 06:52:28
- It always makes me stare in disbelief when the far left shout fascist and Nazis… (NCFC) - Biggles, Sep 11, 20:53:32
- Twitter has destroyed debate, and normalised awfulness (n/m) (NCFC) - Charles21, Sep 11, 09:31:51
- Did you think Charlie Kirk should have cooled his rhetoric? (n/m) (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Sep 11, 08:03:06
- No wasn’t rhetoric was an opinion which he’s completely entitled to to (NCFC) - Mickdundee, Sep 11, 11:30:59
- It was nothing even remotely like justification for murder .... (n/m) (NCFC) - paulg, Sep 11, 08:15:25
- Seems to me you're playing with the idea that he had it coming ... (n/m) (NCFC) - paulg, Sep 11, 08:16:10
- Not at all. (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Sep 11, 08:32:44
- What a dreadful response (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Sep 11, 08:19:57
- Absolutely. Getting well.past time to turn the Internet off. (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Sep 11, 08:34:03
- Seems to me you're playing with the idea that he had it coming ... (n/m) (NCFC) - paulg, Sep 11, 08:16:10
- Having viewpoints held (NCFC) - phrankin, Sep 11, 08:10:24
- You seem to be a big fan (NCFC) - SCC 28, Sep 11, 08:34:49
- I watched some of his stuff years ago - been a long while now (NCFC) - phrankin, Sep 11, 08:51:37
- Are the words available? (n/m) (NCFC) - Lentil Weaver, Sep 11, 08:31:56
- I would say his literal demonisation of "Democrats" in his speeches. (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Sep 11, 08:26:38
- You seem to be a big fan (NCFC) - SCC 28, Sep 11, 08:34:49
- What were his last words? (n/m) (NCFC) - Lentil Weaver, Sep 11, 08:09:41
- Apparently: "'Counting or not counting gang violence?" (n/m) (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Sep 11, 08:36:14
- So he was deflecting from answering a question by implying (NCFC) - Lentil Weaver, Sep 11, 08:38:40
- I wouldn't want to agree to your point and be accused of supporting rhetoric (n/m) (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Sep 11, 08:41:50
- I have read something about him saying (NCFC) - Lentil Weaver, Sep 11, 08:46:37
- It is pretty ironic that's for sure (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Sep 11, 08:54:30
- I have read something about him saying (NCFC) - Lentil Weaver, Sep 11, 08:46:37
- I wouldn't want to agree to your point and be accused of supporting rhetoric (n/m) (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Sep 11, 08:41:50
- So he was deflecting from answering a question by implying (NCFC) - Lentil Weaver, Sep 11, 08:38:40
- Apparently: "'Counting or not counting gang violence?" (n/m) (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Sep 11, 08:36:14
- As I said last night this is the consequence of political culture and dehumanisation (NCFC) - Knitted Jesus, Sep 11, 08:02:06
- The second half of that piece is so absurdly one eyed (NCFC) - Old Git, Sep 11, 09:41:29
- Also Pelosi’s husband (NCFC) - SCC 28, Sep 11, 08:16:44
- Your sentiment about cooling the rhetoric is spot on. (NCFC) - norwaay, Sep 11, 07:15:25
- And your generalisations about his generalisations (NCFC) - Cardiff Canary, Sep 11, 07:27:10
- Ha! Fair point (NCFC) - norwaay, Sep 11, 07:46:47
- to make it clearer, (NCFC) - fal5taff, Sep 11, 09:01:01
- VMT (n/m) (NCFC) - jamesward, Sep 11, 08:52:17
- I think he's talking about the views on generalisation (NCFC) - Cardiff Canary, Sep 11, 07:53:10
- Though, have you read 'Stasiland'? (n/m) (NCFC) - paulg, Sep 11, 08:09:39
- 👍 (n/m) (NCFC) - norwaay, Sep 11, 08:07:05
- Ha! Fair point (NCFC) - norwaay, Sep 11, 07:46:47
- And your generalisations about his generalisations (NCFC) - Cardiff Canary, Sep 11, 07:27:10
- totally agree with you regarding nazism (NCFC) - ghostof barry butler, Sep 11, 07:02:43
- This anti-immigration nonsense is so depressing. (NCFC) - Noah_Lahms, Sep 11, 06:57:20
- And what makes you think they're any nicer? (n/m) (NCFC) - paulg, Sep 11, 07:39:38
- I've been in hospital a lot over the last five years and I've met so lovely people. (NCFC) - Noah_Lahms, Sep 11, 07:53:57
- Im not sure that (NCFC) - paulg, Sep 11, 08:08:03
- What have been your interactions with foreigners that has formed your view of them? (n/m) (NCFC) - The Gaffer, Sep 11, 09:16:07
- My wife is (a) foreign and (b) was a refugee (as were others in her family) (NCFC) - paulg, Sep 11, 10:09:36
- So why did you question Noah-Lahms statement that he'd "rather live with nice people (NCFC) - The Gaffer, Sep 11, 10:13:10
- because taken literally, it's obviously true (NCFC) - paulg, Sep 11, 10:18:29
- I didn't take it that way but get your point. (n/m) (NCFC) - The Gaffer, Sep 11, 10:21:40
- because taken literally, it's obviously true (NCFC) - paulg, Sep 11, 10:18:29
- So why did you question Noah-Lahms statement that he'd "rather live with nice people (NCFC) - The Gaffer, Sep 11, 10:13:10
- My experience of foreigners has been entirely when I have been in hospital. (NCFC) - Noah_Lahms, Sep 11, 09:33:28
- fair enough; sorry if my reply sounded a bit harsh (n/m) (NCFC) - paulg, Sep 11, 10:11:32
- No problems. (n/m) (NCFC) - Noah_Lahms, Sep 11, 10:56:18
- My question was to paulg (n/m) (NCFC) - The Gaffer, Sep 11, 09:34:47
- Ah, okay. (n/m) (NCFC) - Noah_Lahms, Sep 11, 09:39:31
- fair enough; sorry if my reply sounded a bit harsh (n/m) (NCFC) - paulg, Sep 11, 10:11:32
- My wife is (a) foreign and (b) was a refugee (as were others in her family) (NCFC) - paulg, Sep 11, 10:09:36
- What have been your interactions with foreigners that has formed your view of them? (n/m) (NCFC) - The Gaffer, Sep 11, 09:16:07
- *some. (n/m) (NCFC) - Noah_Lahms, Sep 11, 07:54:27
- Im not sure that (NCFC) - paulg, Sep 11, 08:08:03
- I've been in hospital a lot over the last five years and I've met so lovely people. (NCFC) - Noah_Lahms, Sep 11, 07:53:57
- And with the blinkers off? (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Sep 11, 07:35:26
- And what makes you think they're any nicer? (n/m) (NCFC) - paulg, Sep 11, 07:39:38
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