The serious questions

Are to do with scale, and cost, and what one envisages as the end point (or at least, target).
We can accept any number of people eg, but are you prepared to build enough houses, and roads and schools? How much tax will you pay? Would you be prepared for your children to be in a minority of English speakers at school, or in a cultural minority? Etc etc.
They're serious questions but lost in a shouting match

Posted By: paulg on August 25th 2025 at 13:30:46

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Currently sitting in the upper class lounge at Heathrow... (General Chat) - usacanary, Aug 25, 10:05:51
- Every British person sleeping rough has somewhere to go. If they can stay clean. (n/m) (General Chat) - Ulf jr, Aug 25, 17:56:43
- The rape stats the last 25 figures tell all you need to know (General Chat) - Musky, Aug 25, 17:32:57
  - Mate. (General Chat) - Snakepit Divorcee, Aug 25, 21:33:57
- The problem is… (General Chat) - Snakepit Divorcee, Aug 25, 15:06:30
  - Reduce the incentives for starters (General Chat) - phrankin, Aug 25, 15:56:07
    - As I said. ID cards would be a start. (n/m) (General Chat) - Snakepit Divorcee, Aug 25, 16:06:54
      - They throw passports in the channel the Mediterranean (General Chat) - ParrotPuncher, Aug 25, 16:57:32
        
        Which bit of ID do you not understand? (n/m) (General Chat) - Snakepit Divorcee, Aug 25, 21:34:52
      - you can stick that idea where the sun don't shine (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Aug 25, 16:39:30
  - Completely ageee it’s unfair to blame this on the current government (General Chat) - Old Git, Aug 25, 15:44:09
    - Sir tony started this (General Chat) - ParrotPuncher, Aug 25, 16:37:46
      - Starmer won’t do anything… (General Chat) - Snakepit Divorcee, Aug 25, 16:41:53
        
        Details (n/m) (General Chat) - jamesward, Aug 25, 19:31:06
        
        Stopped everything the tories suggested (General Chat) - ParrotPuncher, Aug 25, 19:33:28
- Thought you were in Norway? (General Chat) - paulg, Aug 25, 13:22:58
- Only been saying it 10 plus years.... (General Chat) - ParrotPuncher, Aug 25, 11:47:32
- I think Starmer will sort it out during his 2nd term (General Chat) - shoddy, Aug 25, 11:41:12
  - 😂 (n/m) (General Chat) - paulg, Aug 25, 13:23:42
  - Can’t wait for Labour’s triumphant victory (n/m) (General Chat) - phrankin, Aug 25, 12:58:27
    - The local elections next year in the East will show how popular he is ! (General Chat) - shoddy, Aug 25, 13:02:25
      - We will see a surge of dark green (General Chat) - phrankin, Aug 25, 13:13:21
        
        Dark ? (n/m) (General Chat) - Augustus Pablo, Aug 25, 13:56:12
        
        Indeed, dark green (n/m) (General Chat) - phrankin, Aug 25, 19:11:14
  - I thought he said he was plastering over the damp patch? (General Chat) - Captain Bligh, Aug 25, 11:56:43
  - Haha (n/m) (General Chat) - JoeyDeacon, Aug 25, 11:46:33
- I know someone- you may describe them as a ‘wokey’ although I wouldnt (General Chat) - Nelsons final flanel, Aug 25, 11:23:43
  - Sounds like a good person - but has a severe case of suicidal empathy (n/m) (General Chat) - Musky, Aug 25, 17:49:30
  - The human lottery of being lucky where you are born (General Chat) - Lentil Weaver, Aug 25, 11:39:51
    - Yep. (n/m) (General Chat) - Augustus Pablo, Aug 25, 14:01:48
  - To be fair I respect their efforts and their opinion but... (General Chat) - usacanary, Aug 25, 11:30:40
- Serious question: (General Chat) - APB, Aug 25, 11:14:57
  - Over 8 billion people in the world, you want them all in Europe? Borders for a reason (n/m) (General Chat) - Musky, Aug 25, 17:52:53
  - He’s probably a legal, not illegal migrant. Adds value to the country. (n/m) (General Chat) - Musky, Aug 25, 17:50:39
  - The serious questions (General Chat) - paulg, Aug 25, 13:30:46
    - Well genuinely one answer would be that once applicants are processed, if they’re (General Chat) - Augustus Pablo, Aug 25, 13:54:29
      - Some 17% of people in the uk (General Chat) - paulg, Aug 25, 14:51:05
      - “Migrants are net contributors to the economy” (General Chat) - Old Git, Aug 25, 14:16:10
        
        Deliveroo drivers are definitely a net contributor for my needs (n/m) (General Chat) - footymadman, Aug 26, 09:06:06
  - Serious answer. (General Chat) - usacanary, Aug 25, 11:19:35
    - The difference you are suggesting is (General Chat) - Legacy Fan, Aug 25, 11:51:40
      - Those in real need are probably not... (General Chat) - usacanary, Aug 25, 12:24:41
        
        “Vast sums” (General Chat) - Legacy Fan, Aug 25, 13:29:23
    - So that's a yes then (n/m) (General Chat) - Lentil Weaver, Aug 25, 11:41:19
      - Indeed, legal high skilled migrant (General Chat) - phrankin, Aug 25, 13:08:52
    - I know, but not everyone can (General Chat) - APB, Aug 25, 11:20:39
      - Why? (General Chat) - phrankin, Aug 25, 12:59:15
      - What? (General Chat) - Old Git, Aug 25, 12:50:55
        
        Yes, of course I am (General Chat) - APB, Aug 25, 13:17:38
        
        And this guy is apparently a lawyer 😂 (n/m) (General Chat) - Legacy Fan, Aug 26, 00:09:08
        
        Invite millio (n/m) (General Chat) - phrankin, Aug 25, 13:02:28
        
        ns over, will make no difference surely to the uk (n/m) (General Chat) - phrankin, Aug 25, 13:03:38
      - So the argument is about fairness...... (General Chat) - usacanary, Aug 25, 12:14:57
        
        Cognitive dissonance (General Chat) - phrankin, Aug 25, 13:06:20
- if I was there I'd be wishing for an A380...I've never been on one!! Safe trip.. (n/m) (General Chat) - Goosebumps, Aug 25, 11:08:35
  - Me neither! (n/m) (General Chat) - Augustus Pablo, Aug 25, 13:58:11
- People are angry with this government (General Chat) - JoeyDeacon, Aug 25, 11:02:44
  - There's nothing the government can realistically do (General Chat) - mr carra, Aug 25, 11:27:46
    - thats the way to do it ... (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Aug 25, 12:55:35
    - Yep, what are they actually supposed to do? (General Chat) - jamesward, Aug 25, 11:34:39
      - Maybe the law needs changing? (General Chat) - JoeyDeacon, Aug 25, 11:36:23
        
        That doesn't need a change in the law (General Chat) - mr carra, Aug 25, 12:09:26
        
        The entire concept of asylum needs radical reform (General Chat) - Old Git, Aug 25, 12:52:38
        
        As a tax payer, I'm also not happy with tbe cost of this weekends bullshit (General Chat) - Lentil Weaver, Aug 25, 11:44:02
        
        It won't cost 5 million per day (General Chat) - paulg, Aug 25, 15:21:37
        
        What bullshit are you referring to? (n/m) (General Chat) - JoeyDeacon, Aug 25, 11:45:17
        
        Public disorder for the sake of public disorder (n/m) (General Chat) - Lentil Weaver, Aug 25, 11:56:48
        
        I’m glad you said that (n/m) (General Chat) - JoeyDeacon, Aug 25, 12:11:21
        
        Though you meant Notting Hill carnival (General Chat) - JoeyDeacon, Aug 25, 12:12:03
        
        LOLz.... (n/m) (General Chat) - usacanary, Aug 25, 12:21:21
    - Last government equally bad - my post is not anti Labour (General Chat) - JoeyDeacon, Aug 25, 11:34:07
      - Many people in favour of mass migration have virtually no experience of it (General Chat) - paulg, Aug 25, 15:23:20
      - They can’t contribute until their claim is assessed (General Chat) - jamesward, Aug 25, 11:49:04
        
        They work as well (General Chat) - phrankin, Aug 25, 13:22:18
        
        Keeping down salaries (General Chat) - phrankin, Aug 25, 13:25:08
        
        Or get jobs as uber and just eat (n/m) (General Chat) - ParrotPuncher, Aug 25, 12:00:17
        
        Now you put it like that it’s peanuts (General Chat) - JoeyDeacon, Aug 25, 11:51:09
        
        What are you on about? (n/m) (General Chat) - jamesward, Aug 25, 13:24:39
        
        Immigrants don't destroy this country (General Chat) - Lentil Weaver, Aug 25, 11:58:49
- Oh yeah? (General Chat) - Captain Bligh, Aug 25, 10:56:39
  - lol (n/m) (General Chat) - Old Git, Aug 25, 12:52:51
  - I drove close to there yesterday. (General Chat) - usacanary, Aug 25, 11:09:01
- Cheers Enoch (n/m) (General Chat) - Lentil Weaver, Aug 25, 10:32:45
  - So what do you suggest, we open the borders to everyone. (n/m) (General Chat) - usacanary, Aug 25, 10:36:23
    - A strawman response. You're better than that. (n/m) (General Chat) - The Gaffer, Aug 25, 10:47:23
      - It’s not a straw man though (General Chat) - Old Git, Aug 25, 12:54:54
        
        Not at all. Say one thing and people make assumptions. (General Chat) - APB, Aug 25, 13:14:41
        
        It's not hypocritical. It's basic common sense. (General Chat) - paulg, Aug 25, 15:26:36
        
        Maybe look at it from a different point of view? (General Chat) - APB, Aug 25, 15:46:29
        
        It's real solutions rather than fantasy utopias that people want (General Chat) - paulg, Aug 25, 16:04:20
      - Lentil Weiner isn't interested in logic. (General Chat) - usacanary, Aug 25, 10:54:53
        
        I agree with you that the majority are economic migrants but (General Chat) - The Gaffer, Aug 25, 12:23:24
        
        They're called "Force Flag UK" (General Chat) - Lentil Weaver, Aug 25, 11:08:28
        
        Again answer the question, do you... (General Chat) - usacanary, Aug 25, 11:15:48
        
        My favourite aspect is you expecting an answer. After calling me Lentil Weiner (General Chat) - Lentil Weaver, Aug 25, 11:49:55
- Which lounge mate, I'm there now too (General Chat) - Charles21, Aug 25, 10:28:46
  - Cool, lots of food (General Chat) - usacanary, Aug 25, 10:37:04
- Point about Rough sleepers (General Chat) - Cardiff Canary, Aug 25, 10:19:52
  - Also many rough sleepers feel that they are less safe in hostels than on the streets (n/m) (General Chat) - Legacy Fan, Aug 25, 10:41:50
    - Maybe we could put them up in hotels...... (General Chat) - usacanary, Aug 25, 10:45:50
      - This has been the case long before what you think is “the situation”. All the way back to (General Chat) - Legacy Fan, Aug 25, 11:53:40
  - The person who plays USAC on WOTB... (General Chat) - usacanary, Aug 25, 10:35:16
    - Nifty work! (General Chat) - Cardiff Canary, Aug 25, 15:07:24
    - Giving away our hard earned to those not paying in… (General Chat) - Legacy Fan, Aug 25, 11:56:35
      - Very much this... (General Chat) - Pixelman, Aug 25, 14:11:25
    - This is the case (General Chat) - APB, Aug 25, 11:18:56
- Latest stats suggest it’s about half who are legitimate (General Chat) - jamesward, Aug 25, 10:19:35
  - Totally meaningless (General Chat) - phrankin, Aug 25, 12:41:53
  - Sorry, I just don't believe those stats. (General Chat) - usacanary, Aug 25, 10:43:35
    - The percentage used to be much higher (General Chat) - jamesward, Aug 25, 11:29:47
      - Would still be bringing extra folks in (General Chat) - phrankin, Aug 25, 12:44:28
  - And the wrong online too (n/m) (General Chat) - Charles21, Aug 25, 10:25:36
    - FFS (n/m) (General Chat) - jamesward, Aug 25, 10:27:08
- be gone with you , we will have none of your sensible observations !! (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Aug 25, 10:09:09
  - Takeover (General Chat) - Blueandeasy, Aug 25, 10:48:42

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