It’s not a straw man though

Assuming that we don’t allow *anyone* in (which seems to be what APB was proposing above), then you have to have a system for deciding who you WANT to allow into your country, and who you don’t want. Then you have to enforce that

Posted By: Old Git on August 25th 2025 at 12:54:54

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Currently sitting in the upper class lounge at Heathrow... (General Chat) - usacanary, Aug 25, 10:05:51
- Every British person sleeping rough has somewhere to go. If they can stay clean. (n/m) (General Chat) - Ulf jr, Aug 25, 17:56:43
- The rape stats the last 25 figures tell all you need to know (General Chat) - Musky, Aug 25, 17:32:57
  - Mate. (General Chat) - Snakepit Divorcee, Aug 25, 21:33:57
- The problem is… (General Chat) - Snakepit Divorcee, Aug 25, 15:06:30
  - Reduce the incentives for starters (General Chat) - phrankin, Aug 25, 15:56:07
    - As I said. ID cards would be a start. (n/m) (General Chat) - Snakepit Divorcee, Aug 25, 16:06:54
      - They throw passports in the channel the Mediterranean (General Chat) - ParrotPuncher, Aug 25, 16:57:32
        
        Which bit of ID do you not understand? (n/m) (General Chat) - Snakepit Divorcee, Aug 25, 21:34:52
      - you can stick that idea where the sun don't shine (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Aug 25, 16:39:30
  - Completely ageee it’s unfair to blame this on the current government (General Chat) - Old Git, Aug 25, 15:44:09
    - Sir tony started this (General Chat) - ParrotPuncher, Aug 25, 16:37:46
      - Starmer won’t do anything… (General Chat) - Snakepit Divorcee, Aug 25, 16:41:53
        
        Details (n/m) (General Chat) - jamesward, Aug 25, 19:31:06
        
        Stopped everything the tories suggested (General Chat) - ParrotPuncher, Aug 25, 19:33:28
- Thought you were in Norway? (General Chat) - paulg, Aug 25, 13:22:58
- Only been saying it 10 plus years.... (General Chat) - ParrotPuncher, Aug 25, 11:47:32
- I think Starmer will sort it out during his 2nd term (General Chat) - shoddy, Aug 25, 11:41:12
  - 😂 (n/m) (General Chat) - paulg, Aug 25, 13:23:42
  - Can’t wait for Labour’s triumphant victory (n/m) (General Chat) - phrankin, Aug 25, 12:58:27
    - The local elections next year in the East will show how popular he is ! (General Chat) - shoddy, Aug 25, 13:02:25
      - We will see a surge of dark green (General Chat) - phrankin, Aug 25, 13:13:21
        
        Dark ? (n/m) (General Chat) - Augustus Pablo, Aug 25, 13:56:12
        
        Indeed, dark green (n/m) (General Chat) - phrankin, Aug 25, 19:11:14
  - I thought he said he was plastering over the damp patch? (General Chat) - Captain Bligh, Aug 25, 11:56:43
  - Haha (n/m) (General Chat) - JoeyDeacon, Aug 25, 11:46:33
- I know someone- you may describe them as a ‘wokey’ although I wouldnt (General Chat) - Nelsons final flanel, Aug 25, 11:23:43
  - Sounds like a good person - but has a severe case of suicidal empathy (n/m) (General Chat) - Musky, Aug 25, 17:49:30
  - The human lottery of being lucky where you are born (General Chat) - Lentil Weaver, Aug 25, 11:39:51
    - Yep. (n/m) (General Chat) - Augustus Pablo, Aug 25, 14:01:48
  - To be fair I respect their efforts and their opinion but... (General Chat) - usacanary, Aug 25, 11:30:40
- Serious question: (General Chat) - APB, Aug 25, 11:14:57
  - Over 8 billion people in the world, you want them all in Europe? Borders for a reason (n/m) (General Chat) - Musky, Aug 25, 17:52:53
  - He’s probably a legal, not illegal migrant. Adds value to the country. (n/m) (General Chat) - Musky, Aug 25, 17:50:39
  - The serious questions (General Chat) - paulg, Aug 25, 13:30:46
    - Well genuinely one answer would be that once applicants are processed, if they’re (General Chat) - Augustus Pablo, Aug 25, 13:54:29
      - Some 17% of people in the uk (General Chat) - paulg, Aug 25, 14:51:05
      - “Migrants are net contributors to the economy” (General Chat) - Old Git, Aug 25, 14:16:10
        
        Deliveroo drivers are definitely a net contributor for my needs (n/m) (General Chat) - footymadman, Aug 26, 09:06:06
  - Serious answer. (General Chat) - usacanary, Aug 25, 11:19:35
    - The difference you are suggesting is (General Chat) - Legacy Fan, Aug 25, 11:51:40
      - Those in real need are probably not... (General Chat) - usacanary, Aug 25, 12:24:41
        
        “Vast sums” (General Chat) - Legacy Fan, Aug 25, 13:29:23
    - So that's a yes then (n/m) (General Chat) - Lentil Weaver, Aug 25, 11:41:19
      - Indeed, legal high skilled migrant (General Chat) - phrankin, Aug 25, 13:08:52
    - I know, but not everyone can (General Chat) - APB, Aug 25, 11:20:39
      - Why? (General Chat) - phrankin, Aug 25, 12:59:15
      - What? (General Chat) - Old Git, Aug 25, 12:50:55
        
        Yes, of course I am (General Chat) - APB, Aug 25, 13:17:38
        
        And this guy is apparently a lawyer 😂 (n/m) (General Chat) - Legacy Fan, Aug 26, 00:09:08
        
        Invite millio (n/m) (General Chat) - phrankin, Aug 25, 13:02:28
        
        ns over, will make no difference surely to the uk (n/m) (General Chat) - phrankin, Aug 25, 13:03:38
      - So the argument is about fairness...... (General Chat) - usacanary, Aug 25, 12:14:57
        
        Cognitive dissonance (General Chat) - phrankin, Aug 25, 13:06:20
- if I was there I'd be wishing for an A380...I've never been on one!! Safe trip.. (n/m) (General Chat) - Goosebumps, Aug 25, 11:08:35
  - Me neither! (n/m) (General Chat) - Augustus Pablo, Aug 25, 13:58:11
- People are angry with this government (General Chat) - JoeyDeacon, Aug 25, 11:02:44
  - There's nothing the government can realistically do (General Chat) - mr carra, Aug 25, 11:27:46
    - thats the way to do it ... (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Aug 25, 12:55:35
    - Yep, what are they actually supposed to do? (General Chat) - jamesward, Aug 25, 11:34:39
      - Maybe the law needs changing? (General Chat) - JoeyDeacon, Aug 25, 11:36:23
        
        That doesn't need a change in the law (General Chat) - mr carra, Aug 25, 12:09:26
        
        The entire concept of asylum needs radical reform (General Chat) - Old Git, Aug 25, 12:52:38
        
        As a tax payer, I'm also not happy with tbe cost of this weekends bullshit (General Chat) - Lentil Weaver, Aug 25, 11:44:02
        
        It won't cost 5 million per day (General Chat) - paulg, Aug 25, 15:21:37
        
        What bullshit are you referring to? (n/m) (General Chat) - JoeyDeacon, Aug 25, 11:45:17
        
        Public disorder for the sake of public disorder (n/m) (General Chat) - Lentil Weaver, Aug 25, 11:56:48
        
        I’m glad you said that (n/m) (General Chat) - JoeyDeacon, Aug 25, 12:11:21
        
        Though you meant Notting Hill carnival (General Chat) - JoeyDeacon, Aug 25, 12:12:03
        
        LOLz.... (n/m) (General Chat) - usacanary, Aug 25, 12:21:21
    - Last government equally bad - my post is not anti Labour (General Chat) - JoeyDeacon, Aug 25, 11:34:07
      - Many people in favour of mass migration have virtually no experience of it (General Chat) - paulg, Aug 25, 15:23:20
      - They can’t contribute until their claim is assessed (General Chat) - jamesward, Aug 25, 11:49:04
        
        They work as well (General Chat) - phrankin, Aug 25, 13:22:18
        
        Keeping down salaries (General Chat) - phrankin, Aug 25, 13:25:08
        
        Or get jobs as uber and just eat (n/m) (General Chat) - ParrotPuncher, Aug 25, 12:00:17
        
        Now you put it like that it’s peanuts (General Chat) - JoeyDeacon, Aug 25, 11:51:09
        
        What are you on about? (n/m) (General Chat) - jamesward, Aug 25, 13:24:39
        
        Immigrants don't destroy this country (General Chat) - Lentil Weaver, Aug 25, 11:58:49
- Oh yeah? (General Chat) - Captain Bligh, Aug 25, 10:56:39
  - lol (n/m) (General Chat) - Old Git, Aug 25, 12:52:51
  - I drove close to there yesterday. (General Chat) - usacanary, Aug 25, 11:09:01
- Cheers Enoch (n/m) (General Chat) - Lentil Weaver, Aug 25, 10:32:45
  - So what do you suggest, we open the borders to everyone. (n/m) (General Chat) - usacanary, Aug 25, 10:36:23
    - A strawman response. You're better than that. (n/m) (General Chat) - The Gaffer, Aug 25, 10:47:23
      - It’s not a straw man though (General Chat) - Old Git, Aug 25, 12:54:54
        
        Not at all. Say one thing and people make assumptions. (General Chat) - APB, Aug 25, 13:14:41
        
        It's not hypocritical. It's basic common sense. (General Chat) - paulg, Aug 25, 15:26:36
        
        Maybe look at it from a different point of view? (General Chat) - APB, Aug 25, 15:46:29
        
        It's real solutions rather than fantasy utopias that people want (General Chat) - paulg, Aug 25, 16:04:20
      - Lentil Weiner isn't interested in logic. (General Chat) - usacanary, Aug 25, 10:54:53
        
        I agree with you that the majority are economic migrants but (General Chat) - The Gaffer, Aug 25, 12:23:24
        
        They're called "Force Flag UK" (General Chat) - Lentil Weaver, Aug 25, 11:08:28
        
        Again answer the question, do you... (General Chat) - usacanary, Aug 25, 11:15:48
        
        My favourite aspect is you expecting an answer. After calling me Lentil Weiner (General Chat) - Lentil Weaver, Aug 25, 11:49:55
- Which lounge mate, I'm there now too (General Chat) - Charles21, Aug 25, 10:28:46
  - Cool, lots of food (General Chat) - usacanary, Aug 25, 10:37:04
- Point about Rough sleepers (General Chat) - Cardiff Canary, Aug 25, 10:19:52
  - Also many rough sleepers feel that they are less safe in hostels than on the streets (n/m) (General Chat) - Legacy Fan, Aug 25, 10:41:50
    - Maybe we could put them up in hotels...... (General Chat) - usacanary, Aug 25, 10:45:50
      - This has been the case long before what you think is “the situation”. All the way back to (General Chat) - Legacy Fan, Aug 25, 11:53:40
  - The person who plays USAC on WOTB... (General Chat) - usacanary, Aug 25, 10:35:16
    - Nifty work! (General Chat) - Cardiff Canary, Aug 25, 15:07:24
    - Giving away our hard earned to those not paying in… (General Chat) - Legacy Fan, Aug 25, 11:56:35
      - Very much this... (General Chat) - Pixelman, Aug 25, 14:11:25
    - This is the case (General Chat) - APB, Aug 25, 11:18:56
- Latest stats suggest it’s about half who are legitimate (General Chat) - jamesward, Aug 25, 10:19:35
  - Totally meaningless (General Chat) - phrankin, Aug 25, 12:41:53
  - Sorry, I just don't believe those stats. (General Chat) - usacanary, Aug 25, 10:43:35
    - The percentage used to be much higher (General Chat) - jamesward, Aug 25, 11:29:47
      - Would still be bringing extra folks in (General Chat) - phrankin, Aug 25, 12:44:28
  - And the wrong online too (n/m) (General Chat) - Charles21, Aug 25, 10:25:36
    - FFS (n/m) (General Chat) - jamesward, Aug 25, 10:27:08
- be gone with you , we will have none of your sensible observations !! (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Aug 25, 10:09:09
  - Takeover (General Chat) - Blueandeasy, Aug 25, 10:48:42

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