There are many inter connected problems

And so it's not simple, but no party seen to be failing to control immigration is going to last long.
Second - anything to do with Ed Miiliband will end badly - Labour is one wind assisted blackout away from oblivion, as Blair is trying to warn them.
Third, listen to blue labour on social issues.
Do these things at least, or they'll lose.

Posted By: paulg on May 2nd 2025 at 08:09:31

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Labour lose Runcorn (General Chat) - phrankin, May 2, 06:54:14
- Cameron lost loads of bye elections and then won the general (General Chat) - Old Man, May 2, 10:32:02
  - Not sure the tories were ever Polling 24% (General Chat) - phrankin, May 2, 10:35:53
    - Certainly this *could* be the start of the end of the two party duopoly (General Chat) - Old Man, May 2, 10:40:19
      - In theory it’s a good thing (General Chat) - SCC 28, May 2, 10:53:04
- They’ve now got as many MPs as after the GE (General Chat) - SCC 28, May 2, 08:21:36
- Good. And a supposed safe Labour seat too. (n/m) (General Chat) - RightOnCue, May 2, 07:57:38
  - When you constantly lie to the electorate you get banged. (n/m) (General Chat) - Milko, May 2, 07:59:05
    - That doesn't explain Farage's victories though.. (General Chat) - mr carra, May 2, 08:51:38
      - Brexit was a big lie. And doing unseen damage. (General Chat) - Milko, May 2, 09:03:54
      - The fact is though... (General Chat) - mr carra, May 2, 08:55:12
        
        Yep, the overwhelming majority of immigration is (General Chat) - jamesward, May 2, 09:00:07
        
        Because the Tories spent years... (General Chat) - mr carra, May 2, 09:29:35
        
        and needed for people who refuse to do the jobs because it's beneath them (n/m) (General Chat) - Lentil Weaver, May 2, 11:09:43
        
        That's Tory rhetoric from the mid 2000s (n/m) (General Chat) - phrankin, May 2, 11:37:29
        
        It's my observation (n/m) (General Chat) - Lentil Weaver, May 2, 11:43:27
        
        It's demonstrably true (General Chat) - jamesward, May 2, 12:18:49
        
        Who do you think picked fruit and veg prior to the influx.. (General Chat) - RightOnCue, May 2, 12:45:43
        
        The Farmers opened the floodgates to cheap foreign Labour? (n/m) (General Chat) - RightOnCue, May 2, 17:12:32
        
        Your argument is with the farmers then (n/m) (General Chat) - jamesward, May 2, 13:09:48
        
        The Farmers opened the floodgates to cheap foreign Labour?.. (General Chat) - RightOnCue, May 2, 17:15:32
    - Turkeys voting for Christmas (n/m) (General Chat) - Lentil Weaver, May 2, 08:09:00
      - there it is , one of the reasons Labour lost in Runcorn (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, May 2, 08:51:30
      - Can't be any worse than the Tories or Labour. (n/m) (General Chat) - Milko, May 2, 08:40:29
        
        It can and always will get massively worse if people overreact to situations (General Chat) - Lentil Weaver, May 2, 08:46:19
        
        Well there's a lie right there (n/m) (General Chat) - mr carra, May 2, 08:44:39
        
        Hardly a lie. More a view of things (n/m) (General Chat) - Milko, May 2, 08:53:48
- Publicly professed racist and fascist views (General Chat) - Lentil Weaver, May 2, 07:56:54
  - It's mental that so many working class people believe a private school educated (General Chat) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, May 2, 08:51:42
    - If you want to understand the Farage phenomenon I highly recommend this book (General Chat) - Old Git, May 2, 10:32:20
      - I've not read that, it looks good - thanks for the rec (General Chat) - Old Man, May 2, 10:51:11
    - Starmer fits most of that (n/m) (General Chat) - phrankin, May 2, 10:27:44
      - His father was a toolmaker (General Chat) - jamesward, May 2, 10:28:45
    - Same with Trump (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, May 2, 09:52:40
    - Incredible isn't it. I hope they get 'their' country back one day (General Chat) - Lentil Weaver, May 2, 08:54:56
  - Man of the people 😂 (General Chat) - footymadman, May 2, 08:24:58
- “It’s where you put it down” (n/m) (General Chat) - Old Git, May 2, 07:56:25
- Excellent (n/m) (General Chat) - Milko, May 2, 07:30:27
- Results like this happen in the first year of a new Government who have used the (General Chat) - The Gaffer, May 2, 07:11:32
  - Badenoch is basically a caretaker leader, my prediction was that she would go (General Chat) - Old Man, May 2, 10:34:24
    - Tories are done I would think (General Chat) - phrankin, May 2, 11:09:30
  - Farage is either liked or intensely hated ....there is no middle ground. (n/m) (General Chat) - MORDENCANARY, May 2, 07:31:17
    - More about Labour being total cunts than Farage surely? (n/m) (General Chat) - Milko, May 2, 07:32:37
  - If that's what the labour party thinks (and I best it doesnt) (General Chat) - paulg, May 2, 07:29:30
    - So what do you believe it should do to oppose Reform? (n/m) (General Chat) - The Gaffer, May 2, 07:56:59
      - Educate people on historical failures to humanity brought by Far Right cunts? (n/m) (General Chat) - Lentil Weaver, May 2, 08:13:45
        
        Slightly different centre right (General Chat) - phrankin, May 2, 08:16:04
        
        Labour are now the old definition of centre right (General Chat) - jamesward, May 2, 08:24:38
        
        so you think we live in a more right wing world than 50 years ago? (General Chat) - Tony Martin, May 2, 08:59:40
        
        Not society as such (General Chat) - jamesward, May 2, 09:02:40
        
        Elections have historically been won from the centre (General Chat) - Old Man, May 2, 10:45:37
        
        Socially left, economically right (General Chat) - phrankin, May 2, 10:33:13
        
        Socially left of where it was 20-50 years ago (General Chat) - jamesward, May 2, 11:02:36
        
        We’ve certainly opened our borders (General Chat) - phrankin, May 2, 11:11:50
        
        Wolf in sheeps clothing (n/m) (General Chat) - Lentil Weaver, May 2, 08:18:29
      - There are many inter connected problems (General Chat) - paulg, May 2, 08:09:31
        
        What does "control immigration" actually mean though? (General Chat) - mr carra, May 2, 08:49:08
        
        Near +1 million people a year (General Chat) - phrankin, May 2, 10:29:48
        
        The vast majority of which is legal migration (n/m) (General Chat) - jamesward, May 2, 11:00:50
        
        indeed (General Chat) - phrankin, May 2, 11:41:01
        
        I was more thinking of NHS workers and care sector workers (General Chat) - jamesward, May 2, 12:20:02
        
        the current cost to government of housing (General Chat) - paulg, May 2, 13:10:32
        
        Most parts of Norfolk are on the list (General Chat) - phrankin, May 2, 13:15:17
        
        Absolutely (General Chat) - jamesward, May 2, 13:13:53
        
        I suspect we'll soon leave the echr, or make changes to the way the convention applies (General Chat) - paulg, May 2, 14:15:48
        
        Pay a fair wage (General Chat) - phrankin, May 2, 13:07:06
        
        Glad you're in favour of massive increases in NHS and care staff pay (General Chat) - jamesward, May 2, 13:15:44
        
        We absolutely should be training more doctors and nurses (General Chat) - phrankin, May 2, 13:21:40
    - Reform aren’t the Tories (General Chat) - phrankin, May 2, 07:32:27

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