Lightly skimmed it

Bit of a weird non-argument for me. There have definitely been periods in the last 25 years where we were cripplingly poor and where the vitriol against the manager/owners was out of all proportion to where we were at, at the time.

Not sure if it's because I've got detached from it all, but this doesn't (to me) feel like any of those times. We probably do need a shake up, it does look like we're in a transition to a new ownership (one way or another), we're not cripplingly poor, but the direction of travel is concerning.

Everyone seems agreed on the direction of travel not being right, so the debate is now on to the causes: the squad, manager, DoF, Board, owners.

The debate seems more bickery than vitriolic, and that feels like it's down to an underlying sense of missed opportunities rather than imminent club implosion (which, for many sports teams in the current climate is a real concern).

So, yeah - I still think that Dean was the wrong (but not terrible) appointment - I still think that a new manager *could* get the players firing more consistently.

Managing by spreadsheet can be a real positive (see Brentford) but it also needs to be humanised and recognise the art of people management.

The current set up have failed to articulate what they're trying to do, and it appears to me that they have been equally unsuccessful at conveying that to the players. Finding a way to get that right, is the key to us turning things around.

think it'll happen, and under another manager. Hopefully sooner rather than later.

Posted By: Cardiff Canary on December 21st 2022 at 09:44:53

Message Thread

Ah, it’s ok everyone. It’s not that bad because we were shit 25 years ago! (NCFC) - lurd, Dec 21, 08:13:48
- He admits it's a one sided case for the club.... (NCFC) - usacanary, Dec 21, 12:45:33
- He's right that if we were romping away noone would care (NCFC) - Azteca, Dec 21, 11:54:04
  - His biggest problem is poor football and results (n/m) (NCFC) - Steven_P_Morrissey, Dec 21, 12:54:59
    - Yeh, just the two most important things. (n/m) (NCFC) - usacanary, Dec 21, 12:57:14
  - He's spot on the that Smith isn't Farke in the specific sense (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Dec 21, 12:09:07
    - That was gone before farke left (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Dec 21, 12:48:25
      - Guys, I gave myself the get out by referring to 2 Farke Champs seasons 😀 (n/m) (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Dec 21, 14:34:02
        
        And what I meant by the gone in 13 months is more about the stick with Farkers (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Dec 21, 14:36:12
      - Strange thing about that first season is that our chance creation (NCFC) - jamesward, Dec 21, 13:34:35
      - The first season was a building of a team and clearing out expensive Deadwood (NCFC) - Steven_P_Morrissey, Dec 21, 12:52:49
        
        Who said “he wasn’t very good”? (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Dec 21, 12:58:02
    - Even at the start, when there was grumbling (NCFC) - mr chimp, Dec 21, 12:39:25
      - That first season was about getting the wage bill down whilst building a team (NCFC) - Steven_P_Morrissey, Dec 21, 12:53:40
  - Yep ✅ (n/m) (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Dec 21, 12:05:53
- I actually agree with the vast majority of that (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Dec 21, 11:27:41
  - He’s not just respected, but revered! (NCFC) - CWC, Dec 21, 13:02:54
    - universally, what's more (n/m) (NCFC) - paulg, Dec 21, 13:40:46
    - Yes, haha! Not too sure about that…. (n/m) (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Dec 21, 13:08:50
  - Is that because Mick has deliberately avoided discussing the actual football for most of i (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Dec 21, 12:10:13
    - Yes, if he were saying the football was good I’d disagree (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Dec 21, 13:11:05
    - Yup, this (n/m) (NCFC) - Steven_P_Morrissey, Dec 21, 12:55:18
- Warning: this will be a long read. I don’t think I’ve attempted a more important piece 😂 (n/m) (NCFC) - JD3, Dec 21, 10:34:14
  - Of damage control..... (n/m) (NCFC) - usacanary, Dec 21, 12:21:33
- The issue of me is that we just so boring to watch. Tedious. Turgid. (NCFC) - munter, Dec 21, 10:29:59
- But there is disconnect and if he or them can’t see (NCFC) - um_gah, Dec 21, 09:23:35
  - The lack of support the club give the Barclay end flag initiative shows the disconnect (NCFC) - Steven_P_Morrissey, Dec 21, 12:57:18
  - Hey, wait a minute! There is some strange supporters consultation group that meets... (NCFC) - Brom, Dec 21, 09:25:31
- We passed it along the back under Farke so why are people complaining? (NCFC) - norwaay, Dec 21, 09:23:03
  - He's been stubbornly ignoring the real reason people were jeering the passing back to Gunn (NCFC) - jamesward, Dec 21, 09:30:11
    - Stop hoofing the ball down the channels for non-existent wingers (NCFC) - Saucerer, Dec 21, 11:54:40
      - the lack of Dowell and the deterioration of Nunez (NCFC) - Cardiff Canary, Dec 21, 11:59:46
    - He does say "There is an inability to pass through the two lines of defence rival teams (NCFC) - Bertie Russell, Dec 21, 09:55:59
      - I think that refers more to creating chances higher up the pitch (NCFC) - jamesward, Dec 21, 09:58:42
    - And if that had been the only time that had happened - or even one of the few times it (NCFC) - Bravo win or die, Dec 21, 09:45:00
- Thing is… (NCFC) - Nelsons final flanel, Dec 21, 09:16:47
  - This is exactly where I am 💛💚 (n/m) (NCFC) - Bravo win or die, Dec 21, 10:01:57
  - Yeah, that's fair. (NCFC) - Garry Brooke, Dec 21, 09:46:58
- The problem is he's just in denial, not addressing the real situations (NCFC) - Under soil heating, Dec 21, 09:01:09
  - Because Gaslighting. Because Mick Dennis. (n/m) (NCFC) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Dec 21, 10:53:57
  - Agreed and the danger is in letting it drag on given the finances and the number of (NCFC) - Jim, Dec 21, 10:31:25
  - Agree 👍 (n/m) (NCFC) - Bravo win or die, Dec 21, 09:46:22
- He seems to think we were all behind his appointment and that we thought he was an (NCFC) - thirsty work, Dec 21, 08:55:20
- I stopped at this bit: (NCFC) - Bravo win or die, Dec 21, 08:40:13
  - I'm not a board stooge in second paragraph (NCFC) - ede, Dec 21, 11:25:32
  - Didn't get that far (NCFC) - Winged Eel Creosote, Dec 21, 10:17:26
  - Lightly skimmed it (NCFC) - Cardiff Canary, Dec 21, 09:44:53
    - I skim read the rest too and I understand the points made by you and Mick (NCFC) - Bravo win or die, Dec 21, 09:59:00
      - yep (NCFC) - Cardiff Canary, Dec 21, 11:24:30
  - I stopped at trouped (NCFC) - CWC, Dec 21, 08:48:34
    - I stopped (NCFC) - paulg, Dec 21, 10:22:37
      - Well I read it all (NCFC) - jamesward, Dec 21, 10:26:45
        
        &, now, in a sentence, can you tell me ...? (n/m) (NCFC) - paulg, Dec 21, 11:06:30
        
        I'll have a go (NCFC) - jamesward, Dec 21, 11:08:58
        
        Excellent. When you're sitting in a cold, dark room at 5.30 this evening (NCFC) - paulg, Dec 21, 11:11:30
        
        Be careful with the candles (NCFC) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Dec 21, 11:14:54
        
        I'm using fork handles (n/m) (NCFC) - jamesward, Dec 21, 11:32:50
        
        Don't worry - if there's an accident it'll be dealt with in early February, with luck (n/m) (NCFC) - paulg, Dec 21, 11:16:36
- Opens page. Sees the title. Closes the page. (n/m) (NCFC) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Dec 21, 08:18:52

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