But it isn't Just Stop Oil's sole responsibility to come up with the solution is it?
That has got to be the government's job. That is what JSO are saying: get the f**k on with it.
Many organisations have produced scenarios for 100% renewables including the Committee for Climate Change which advises the government. E.g. see here:
User Posted Link
Their approach to zero carbon electricity has some low carbon despatchable power using gas with ccs, BECCS, and hydrogen.
They also report on the government's progress annually. Here is this year's report: User Posted Link
I quote: "In targets, the UK is indeed a world leader. However, this Progress Report reveals that, despite important achievements in renewable energy and electric vehicles, the Government is failing in much of its implementation." There is lots of detail about why they are failing in the report. This broadly backs up the JSO position.
Finally, I would say that Germany has made some progress and is now over 50% low carbon electricity. It would be higher if they hadn't decided to close their nukes after Fukishima. And China and India are fairly unique. In many ways China is the world leader in renewables but obviously it is also consuming a lot of fossil energy. India is pretty similar in some respects.
Posted By: Knitted Jesus on November 8th 2022 at 17:29:23
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- I see the tree huggers are out causing chaos on the roads again (General Chat) - ParrotPuncher, Nov 8, 08:47:45
- Cor blimey, 64 posts... (General Chat) - Timmy_Goat, Nov 8, 13:59:33
- It’s not easy but there are ways (General Chat) - Knitted Jesus, Nov 8, 15:40:52
- So yes, pumped hydro is a solution (General Chat) - Timmy_Goat, Nov 8, 16:31:56
- But it isn't Just Stop Oil's sole responsibility to come up with the solution is it? (General Chat) - Knitted Jesus, Nov 8, 17:29:23
- So they make the noise and expect others to find a solution? (General Chat) - Timmy_Goat, Nov 8, 19:28:48
- Again, it is not the job of a handful of activists to solve the climate crisis (General Chat) - Knitted Jesus, Nov 8, 19:42:48
- So they make the noise and expect others to find a solution? (General Chat) - Timmy_Goat, Nov 8, 19:28:48
- But it isn't Just Stop Oil's sole responsibility to come up with the solution is it? (General Chat) - Knitted Jesus, Nov 8, 17:29:23
- So yes, pumped hydro is a solution (General Chat) - Timmy_Goat, Nov 8, 16:31:56
- 30 secs ago no ... but i do now , and one way would to use ... (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Nov 8, 15:21:06
- It’s not easy but there are ways (General Chat) - Knitted Jesus, Nov 8, 15:40:52
- That slimey little shit Williamson should tell them to slit their throats (n/m) (General Chat) - CB41, Nov 8, 09:57:21
- Yeah, trying to save the planet (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Nov 8, 09:44:12
- I think the Van Gogh-souper on Vicky Derbyshire the other day had it right! (General Chat) - trafford_canary, Nov 8, 10:33:15
- Strictly and that other peurile load of shite are on at the moment (General Chat) - CB41, Nov 8, 11:09:53
- I think the Van Gogh-souper on Vicky Derbyshire the other day had it right! (General Chat) - trafford_canary, Nov 8, 10:33:15
- I'm bloody glad that paying my bills and earning a living (General Chat) - Captain Bligh, Nov 8, 09:25:14
- they need taking round the back of the dog house (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Nov 8, 09:19:08
- Do you think climate change is real? And do you think our response is sufficient? (General Chat) - Knitted Jesus, Nov 8, 09:35:32
- Yes and yes (General Chat) - Old Git, Nov 8, 11:23:14
- Do those figures for the league include all the pollution we've outsourced? (General Chat) - trafford_canary, Nov 8, 11:44:47
- boom (General Chat) - CWC, Nov 8, 12:41:06
- Yes, a slightly different point to the one I was making but an absolutely fair one nonethe (General Chat) - trafford_canary, Nov 8, 13:42:52
- boom (General Chat) - CWC, Nov 8, 12:41:06
- I don’t think our response is sufficient (General Chat) - Knitted Jesus, Nov 8, 11:35:34
- Is that as a country or globally? (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Nov 8, 12:06:31
- Agreed. But getting back to the original post do you believe these types of protests are (General Chat) - The Gaffer, Nov 8, 11:42:03
- Isn’t that the point of protests? (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Nov 8, 12:08:04
- Gaining publicity is just the means to an end which should be change peoples attitudes (General Chat) - The Gaffer, Nov 8, 12:33:06
- Reasoned debate hasn’t worked (General Chat) - Knitted Jesus, Nov 8, 15:05:06
- Of course reasoned debate will work, without it no solution is possible. (n/m) (General Chat) - The Gaffer, Nov 9, 03:45:14
- Reasoned debate hasn’t worked (General Chat) - Knitted Jesus, Nov 8, 15:05:06
- Gaining publicity is just the means to an end which should be change peoples attitudes (General Chat) - The Gaffer, Nov 8, 12:33:06
- Isn’t that the point of protests? (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Nov 8, 12:08:04
- Do those figures for the league include all the pollution we've outsourced? (General Chat) - trafford_canary, Nov 8, 11:44:47
- Yes I believe climate change is real (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Nov 8, 09:57:52
- We don’t have time to evolve. That is the point. (General Chat) - Knitted Jesus, Nov 8, 10:14:10
- What have you done to cut your carbon foot print ? (n/m) (General Chat) - ParrotPuncher, Nov 8, 10:37:37
- Various things but that’s not the complete point (General Chat) - Knitted Jesus, Nov 8, 10:55:55
- at the moment most governments at least in Europe (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Nov 8, 11:12:33
- That is just wrong (General Chat) - Knitted Jesus, Nov 8, 11:28:59
- and if the green lobby hadn't stopped fracking (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Nov 8, 12:29:59
- Even if fracking was going ahead wed still be buying cheaper russian gas (General Chat) - Garboldisham, Nov 8, 12:43:22
- you mean the cheap 7% russian gas (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Nov 8, 13:42:15
- Some of Europe perhaps. Most EU countries have built up their gas reserves way higher than (General Chat) - Legacy Fan, Nov 8, 13:59:05
- you mean the cheap 7% russian gas (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Nov 8, 13:42:15
- Even if fracking was going ahead wed still be buying cheaper russian gas (General Chat) - Garboldisham, Nov 8, 12:43:22
- and if the green lobby hadn't stopped fracking (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Nov 8, 12:29:59
- Global warming is real and lots more needs to be done but the actions of these (General Chat) - The Gaffer, Nov 8, 11:22:05
- Quack! (n/m) (General Chat) - Bristol Graham, Nov 8, 12:20:46
- Global warming is real and lots more needs to be done but the actions of these (General Chat) - The Gaffer, Nov 8, 11:21:51
- "...the green lobby have bullied them into stopping gas storage" (General Chat) - CB41, Nov 8, 11:19:00
- and the green lobby had nothing to do with that decision (n/m) (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Nov 8, 11:25:45
- None whatsoever, just financial (n/m) (General Chat) - CB41, Nov 8, 11:40:59
- what all over europe !! (n/m) (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Nov 8, 11:22:18
- and the green lobby had nothing to do with that decision (n/m) (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Nov 8, 11:25:45
- That is just wrong (General Chat) - Knitted Jesus, Nov 8, 11:28:59
- at the moment most governments at least in Europe (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Nov 8, 11:12:33
- Also the South Pole recorded six months of record cold temperatures in 2021. (General Chat) - ParrotPuncher, Nov 8, 10:41:59
- That was shared on a climate change denial Facebook group (General Chat) - SCC 28, Nov 8, 10:49:19
- Oh Mikey (General Chat) - ParrotPuncher, Nov 8, 10:52:16
- Oh my Lord, you really are quite the weapon aren't you. Hahaha (n/m) (General Chat) - Yellalee, Nov 8, 13:03:22
- Epic self own (n/m) (General Chat) - jamesward, Nov 8, 11:30:21
- ... (General Chat) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Nov 8, 11:20:02
- what match is that from? (n/m) (General Chat) - Chris Peacock, Nov 8, 11:39:05
- Let me GoBBle that for you... (General Chat) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Nov 8, 11:43:06
- Ta. i knew i remembered it from somewhere. (General Chat) - Chris Peacock, Nov 8, 11:58:47
- Bristol (n/m) (General Chat) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Nov 8, 12:01:38
- spull checker fail (General Chat) - Chris Peacock, Nov 8, 11:59:38
- Ta. i knew i remembered it from somewhere. (General Chat) - Chris Peacock, Nov 8, 11:58:47
- Let me GoBBle that for you... (General Chat) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Nov 8, 11:43:06
- what match is that from? (n/m) (General Chat) - Chris Peacock, Nov 8, 11:39:05
- "..... does not discredit climate change" (n/m) (General Chat) - CB41, Nov 8, 11:07:23
- The Antarctic is melting whether you choose to believe it or not (General Chat) - Knitted Jesus, Nov 8, 11:03:24
- You are even more stupid that I thought you were (General Chat) - Under soil heating, Nov 8, 10:58:13
- Erm your link is saying the same as mine (General Chat) - SCC 28, Nov 8, 10:57:14
- So it did record the temperatures and it's actually real (General Chat) - ParrotPuncher, Nov 8, 11:51:24
- Why did you share a link debunking your conclusion then (General Chat) - SCC 28, Nov 8, 11:58:15
- Did you not carry on reading beyond that bit? (n/m) (General Chat) - jamesward, Nov 8, 11:56:56
- Was a strange retort tbh (General Chat) - SCC 28, Nov 8, 11:59:57
- when you get to the pearly gates (General Chat) - Chris Peacock, Nov 8, 11:02:51
- Quite a bit less than it was tbf (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Nov 8, 11:06:34
- i'm only teasing (as you know) (General Chat) - Chris Peacock, Nov 8, 11:36:26
- Quite a bit less than it was tbf (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Nov 8, 11:06:34
- So it did record the temperatures and it's actually real (General Chat) - ParrotPuncher, Nov 8, 11:51:24
- Oh Mikey (General Chat) - ParrotPuncher, Nov 8, 10:52:16
- That was shared on a climate change denial Facebook group (General Chat) - SCC 28, Nov 8, 10:49:19
- Various things but that’s not the complete point (General Chat) - Knitted Jesus, Nov 8, 10:55:55
- VMT! Cheers for the link - an important read (n/m) (General Chat) - Danny, Nov 8, 10:23:29
- What have you done to cut your carbon foot print ? (n/m) (General Chat) - ParrotPuncher, Nov 8, 10:37:37
- Evolution takes a very long tome and time is what we don't have (General Chat) - CB41, Nov 8, 09:59:55
- We're all doomed. Change will take place, but at a glacial pace. (General Chat) - Under soil heating, Nov 8, 10:12:36
- We don’t have time to evolve. That is the point. (General Chat) - Knitted Jesus, Nov 8, 10:14:10
- The problem in the modern day is Twitter etc (General Chat) - inutero, Nov 8, 09:41:33
- This is what they say on their website (General Chat) - jamesward, Nov 8, 09:58:57
- Hard to argue with that (n/m) (General Chat) - CB41, Nov 8, 10:00:53
- This is what they say on their website (General Chat) - jamesward, Nov 8, 09:58:57
- Yes and yes (General Chat) - Old Git, Nov 8, 11:23:14
- Do you think climate change is real? And do you think our response is sufficient? (General Chat) - Knitted Jesus, Nov 8, 09:35:32
- More power to them (n/m) (General Chat) - Steven_P_Morrissey, Nov 8, 09:11:21
- fuck em (n/m) (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Nov 8, 09:19:26
- And Fuck you too (n/m) (General Chat) - CB41, Nov 8, 09:47:59
- fuck em (n/m) (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Nov 8, 09:19:26
- Credit to Keir Starmer yesterday (General Chat) - JoeyDeacon, Nov 8, 09:11:16
- Cor blimey, 64 posts... (General Chat) - Timmy_Goat, Nov 8, 13:59:33
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