An objective viewpoint would be that...

it was initially thought that of all the candidate vaccinates, only a small proportion would be effective. Efficacy of 60% was considered decent.

Now our current situation is that: BioNtech works, Moderna works, Astrazeneca works really well, Sputnik seems to work, Sinopharm works. Janssen sort of works if they can actually make any of it. The only clear failed vaccine was Sanofi.

Which vaccine did the EU bet on? Sanofi. Biontech is expensive, Sanofi cheap. Lets order the same Euro value of both vaccines. Franco-German unity. Spend the same on each. Then Sanofi turns out to be Merde. Then what do they do?

What are the fiscal implications? The UK vaccine approach looks very much like it more than covers the long term costs of brexit. Conversely, the EU balls up has cost them proportionally more than brexit cost the UK.

This is even before we get on to the cost of vaccine refusal - well played Macron :-/

How would our outlook be if it had ended up being AstraZeneca that didnt work and Sanofi did work? The UK struck lucky and the EU gamble didnt work out. Nobody should be getting too pissy IMHO.

Posted By: Timmy_Goat on March 10th 2021 at 22:03:42

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It's Cheltenham Festival next week (Other Sports) - shoddy, Mar 10, 20:55:08
- Superspreader event anniversary. (n/m) (Other Sports) - Pixelman, Mar 10, 21:13:54
  - My nephew was there - and got covid (n/m) (Other Sports) - paulg, Mar 10, 21:19:34
    - Bit of a super spreader family then (n/m) (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Mar 10, 21:21:17
      - How so? (n/m) (Other Sports) - paulg, Mar 10, 21:24:21
- every paddy and his dog will be there (Other Sports) - Tombs, Mar 10, 21:00:53
  - Dont think you're meant to say paddy any more. You know who (Other Sports) - CB41, Mar 10, 21:17:13
    - erm nope, no idea (Other Sports) - Tombs, Mar 10, 21:22:04
- Just read that France has over 30k new covid cases today (Other Sports) - paulg, Mar 10, 20:56:23
  - I wouldn’t be booking any holidays in Europe (Other Sports) - Ben, Mar 10, 21:07:30
    - Hmmm. I am tempted by Serbia (Other Sports) - Timmy_Goat, Mar 10, 21:48:28
      - I hear Croatia is nice (n/m) (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Mar 10, 21:55:43
        
        nicer than serbia (Other Sports) - Tombs, Mar 10, 21:57:21
        
        Well, I heard Croatia was nicer than Montenegro (Other Sports) - Timmy_Goat, Mar 10, 22:47:32
  - yep. dont like to chat about the old covid but heres how I see it (Other Sports) - shoddy, Mar 10, 21:05:09
    - Yup and they spent ages telling their populations that the Oxford vaccine (Other Sports) - Tony Martin, Mar 10, 21:41:36
      - The Aldi Vaccine (Other Sports) - Tombs, Mar 10, 21:50:01
      - data from yesterday. 52% of french people think the AZ vaccine is UNSAFE (n/m) (Other Sports) - shoddy, Mar 10, 21:48:31
        
        Nice work Macron (n/m) (Other Sports) - jamesward, Mar 10, 21:50:47
    - I had no idea the EU bought no vaccines (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Mar 10, 21:20:55
      - An objective viewpoint would be that... (Other Sports) - Timmy_Goat, Mar 10, 22:03:42
        
        yes thats about right. and that is the difference (Other Sports) - shoddy, Mar 10, 22:07:38
        
        Do you know what Target 2 is? (Other Sports) - Timmy_Goat, Mar 10, 22:52:01
      - they got 'some'. but not enough, just check the figures. (Other Sports) - shoddy, Mar 10, 21:31:53
        
        Hard to find anyone that hasn’t (n/m) (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Mar 10, 21:32:57
        
        Apart from the Brits, the Yanks, and the Israeli, I agree with you. (n/m) (Other Sports) - shoddy, Mar 10, 21:35:14
        
        Brits 125K dead, Yanks 500K (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Mar 10, 21:53:27
        
        Have you tried dividing by population? (Other Sports) - Timmy_Goat, Mar 10, 23:00:21
        
        Plenty of fatties, yes. the vaccine is about the future, not these poor obese souls. (n/m) (Other Sports) - shoddy, Mar 10, 21:56:50
        
        Fucking hell (n/m) (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Mar 10, 22:05:29
        
        even the 'svelt' french are running at 90k. that will increase. rapidly. (n/m) (Other Sports) - shoddy, Mar 10, 21:58:12
    - My wife works in Paris usually once a month .. (Other Sports) - paulg, Mar 10, 21:18:40
  - Comme ci, comme ça (n/m) (Other Sports) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Mar 10, 21:01:10
  - How do people think what will pan out? (Other Sports) - Tricky Hawes, Mar 10, 20:58:30
    - no you fool (Other Sports) - Chris Peacock, Mar 10, 21:00:48
      - Haha. Right. (Other Sports) - Tricky Hawes, Mar 10, 21:05:05
        
        Desert Orchid will piss it. (n/m) (Other Sports) - shoddy, Mar 10, 21:06:45
        
        Alan Brazil will piss himself (n/m) (Other Sports) - KevinBond, Mar 10, 21:13:47
        
        there's an image (n/m) (Other Sports) - Tombs, Mar 10, 21:14:39
        
        Imagine. (n/m) (Other Sports) - APB, Mar 10, 21:20:52
        
        May have done him an injustice (Other Sports) - KevinBond, Mar 10, 21:26:06

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