You and your fellow idealists miss the BIG point......

If you don't get power you cannot enact any policies that actually make peoples lives better.

Things like same sex marriage and min wage were at one time on the opposite sides of the political spectrum..... now they have almost universal bi partisan support from all political parties.

While you might like Corbyn and his policies, you have to face the fact that the vast majority of the UK voters don't.
The only way to grow you base (AND BECOME ELECTABLE) is to move further to the center.
Blair was a reaction to the exact same thing happening now in the Labour party.
Maybe some of you are too young to remember.

Posted By: usacanary on December 7th 2019 at 16:44:13

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Opinion: A large Tory victory might be the best thing to happen to the Labour party.... (General Chat) - usacanary, Dec 7, 15:31:24
- The one party close to the centre in this election is nowhere in the polls (General Chat) - FreshBlood, Dec 7, 18:47:39
  - Trying to get a die hard base to vote for another party is pretty futile. (General Chat) - usacanary, Dec 7, 19:08:45
- Two types of people; selfless and selfish... (General Chat) - Worthing Yellow, Dec 7, 16:30:20
  - What a load of bollocks. Ah I see 'usually' as the caveat. (General Chat) - Men without hats, Dec 7, 17:33:09
  - well yes but here is the good news...... (General Chat) - usacanary, Dec 7, 16:51:04
  - Don’t forget self-righteous (n/m) (General Chat) - Old Git, Dec 7, 16:32:56
- All of this could’ve been avoided if they’d selected the correct Milliband (n/m) (General Chat) - Augustus Pablo, Dec 7, 16:20:59
  - Yep agree with that. (n/m) (General Chat) - Men without hats, Dec 7, 17:33:37
- Let’s go Tories Let’s go! (n/m) (General Chat) - Thegelman, Dec 7, 16:14:02
  - Yes please. Could you go quite a long way away? (n/m) (General Chat) - Bravo win or die, Dec 7, 17:17:15
- The Overton window (General Chat) - LowestoftBoy, Dec 7, 16:09:08
  - Thats Democracy ......maybe the electorate has changed and Labour is out of touch. (General Chat) - usacanary, Dec 7, 16:53:47
    - That's first past the post democracy. (General Chat) - LowestoftBoy, Dec 7, 17:01:51
      - Errr ... PR is a great way to get swivel-eyed loons into power (General Chat) - Old Git, Dec 7, 17:08:43
        
        no they wouldnt have (General Chat) - CWC, Dec 7, 19:03:11
      - Know the rules.....play the game. (General Chat) - usacanary, Dec 7, 17:05:00
- Great argument.... (General Chat) - Moritz Moutarde, Dec 7, 15:54:00
  - Only just seen this. Excellent post. (General Chat) - norway, Dec 7, 18:15:57
    - How are they defining poverty though? (General Chat) - CWC, Dec 7, 19:09:10
      - I would imagine the definition is recognised and consistent. I've seen these figures (General Chat) - norway, Dec 7, 19:22:18
        
        Im not saying its made up (General Chat) - CWC, Dec 7, 20:17:45
        
        Agreed. (General Chat) - norway, Dec 7, 21:04:59
  - 1 in 3 children in poverty - bollocks. (n/m) (General Chat) - Men without hats, Dec 7, 17:36:56
  - You and your fellow idealists miss the BIG point...... (General Chat) - usacanary, Dec 7, 16:44:13
    - Idealists? (General Chat) - Moritz Moutarde, Dec 7, 18:36:40
      - So if these things are all true then why are the tories in the lead... (General Chat) - usacanary, Dec 7, 19:05:13
  - What is the definition of poverty? (n/m) (General Chat) - JoeyDeacon, Dec 7, 16:10:49
- Will be too late as brexit will take decades to recover from (n/m) (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Dec 7, 15:41:50
  - We have no idea how brexit will pan out it's far too complex an issue (General Chat) - Men without hats, Dec 7, 17:35:55
  - I dont agree. I think it would be relatively easy to reverse. (General Chat) - usacanary, Dec 7, 16:57:05
- This was I keep saying to my vivid Labour voting friend (General Chat) - ingi, Dec 7, 15:36:52
  - Well,Corbyn's got more credibility and integrity than Blair steamer. Imo. (n/m) (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Dec 7, 15:46:09
    - So what!...... Blairs got more election victories.... (General Chat) - usacanary, Dec 7, 16:58:46
    - We'd be getting a labour govt if he was leader though (n/m) (General Chat) - CWC, Dec 7, 15:50:21
    - Starmer. (n/m) (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Dec 7, 15:46:22
  - I wouldnt bet on a more credible leader appearing (General Chat) - CWC, Dec 7, 15:44:28
- Tory win Will fuck up the country even more (n/m) (General Chat) - loz, Dec 7, 15:34:20
  - well..... see above..... thats how the other side gets elected.... (n/m) (General Chat) - usacanary, Dec 7, 15:37:10

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