Its a bit of a kick and rush formation isn;t it and

to a degree it suits our strengths because our strengths are Kane and having two quick, wide forwards in Sterling and Sancho/Rashford.

However its a pretty basic/naïve set up if you ask me, Essentially England's tactics under Southgate currently are give it to the quick guys. there is nothing sophisticated about it and no evidence of any great coaching. And we know that when we play teams with technical midfields who keep the ball well we will be starved of possession and end up playing almost entirely on the counter attack. We can do that but I don't see us winning a tournament doing it. As I said last night I think he only really has one mission between now and next summer (other than the foregone conclusion that is qualifying) and that's to find a midfield balance which enables us to control games better and retain possession. He is failing to do that and snubbing Maddison will not help him.

If you think about it its a pretty deliberate snub by Southgate. In the last 2 years he has called up Hudson Odoi, Sancho, Mount and Maddison. The former two got starts or sub appearances in the first possible game. Mount came on twice this week. In 4 possible games Maddison has not been given a minute and the substitution last night was basically a massive f**k you to him. He could have brought one of them (i.e. him and Mount) on in each game, both get a cap and a bit of experience and its job done but he chose not to do that.

I spoke to a mate of mine in the media and asked why they media are not taking Southgate to task over this. He didn't know but did say he think madders is a bit too cocky. I don't think that justifies treating him like this but perhaps Southgate feels he is teaching him a lesson of some sort.

Posted By: Jim on September 11th 2019 at 09:22:32

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Even the Today programme asked why Southgate played the same midfield twice and didn’t (Other Football) - Old Git, Sep 11, 08:26:27
- I think it comes down to the formation England play (Other Football) - strap_on sally, Sep 11, 08:42:19
  - Interesting, thanks (n/m) (Other Football) - Old Git, Sep 11, 09:56:34
  - Yes, think you're right (Other Football) - duke of york, Sep 11, 09:12:25
    - Its a bit of a kick and rush formation isn;t it and (Other Football) - Jim, Sep 11, 09:22:32
      - I'm not sure Barkley or Mount offer anything more defensively than Maddison would (n/m) (Other Football) - jAC, Sep 11, 10:10:58
        
        The England backroom staff would have every bit of analysis (Other Football) - strap_on sally, Sep 11, 10:23:52
      - It all tends to highlight Southgate's narrow mindedness (Other Football) - paulg, Sep 11, 09:56:22
      - Most counter attacking teams are compact in defence and midfield (Other Football) - duke of york, Sep 11, 09:38:28
        
        It's worse than that. (Other Football) - marsupialman, Sep 11, 12:46:27
        
        Most of our "possession" is us knocking it around on the half way line against teams who (Other Football) - Jim, Sep 11, 09:47:42
        
        There was periods of the 1st last night when we kept the ball brillintly (Other Football) - strap_on sally, Sep 11, 09:45:51
        
        I think a problem is also that because Sterling and Sancho (Other Football) - duke of york, Sep 11, 09:55:23
        
        That’s down to England playing an attacking style isn’t it? (Other Football) - strap_on sally, Sep 11, 10:05:17
        
        Which is definitely true (Other Football) - duke of york, Sep 11, 10:15:49
        
        Ultimately we always fall short don’t we? (Other Football) - strap_on sally, Sep 11, 10:22:00
        
        I think the 4-2-3-1 formation would work but one of the 2 needs to be a passer as well as (Other Football) - Jim, Sep 11, 09:49:07
      - A massive fuck you to Madders? (Other Football) - strap_on sally, Sep 11, 09:36:22
        
        Yes. I really think so. Its very apparent that Southgate is snubbing him. I (Other Football) - Jim, Sep 11, 09:45:20
        
        This is similar to the Patrick Roberts situation isn’t it? (Other Football) - strap_on sally, Sep 11, 10:28:33
        
        Have you considered England subbed on Mount (Other Football) - strap_on sally, Sep 11, 09:50:39
        
        I don't think that there is any evidence to say he's better in that position (Other Football) - Jim, Sep 11, 10:01:23
        
        Madders has a full season more top flight experience than mount... (Other Football) - loz, Sep 11, 10:19:36
        
        As a passionate England fan I trust the current England staff (Other Football) - strap_on sally, Sep 11, 10:08:26
        
        and Trap was wrong on Wesso (n/m) (Other Football) - Ralf Scrampton, Sep 11, 09:54:23
        
        It’s certainly debatable (n/m) (Other Football) - strap_on sally, Sep 11, 10:08:56
      - You can add Rice to that list as well. Straight in the team when called up (n/m) (Other Football) - Jim, Sep 11, 09:23:37
- Have to imagine it’s a personality thing. (Other Football) - lurd, Sep 11, 08:37:06
  - Hmm - not a great look!! (Other Football) - paulg, Sep 11, 09:57:52
  - How did David Beckham manage to be so successful for England then? (Other Football) - essexcanaryOTBC, Sep 11, 08:55:32
    - He played for Man Utd (n/m) (Other Football) - lurd, Sep 11, 09:37:25
    - well for a start Beckham was a better footballer (Other Football) - ghostof barry butler, Sep 11, 09:11:06
      - Remember George Best's comments about Beckham ...? (Other Football) - paulg, Sep 11, 09:59:30

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