Thought as a casual I should perhaps chuck my tuppence ha'penny into the Wrath's ring...
-piece.
You know, because not enough has been said about the whole debacle over the last couple of days...
But also, as it's perhaps been perceived as an upheaval designed - on the face of it - to favour the likes of myself, so maybe how I've interpreted it and it's likely effect on my match going efforts would be vaguely interesting.
I can already tell I'm going to waffle on into the night and this is gonna fall all too quickly into TL;DR territory...
Firstly, a bit of perspective of who I am and have been as a fan:-
1996/97 - 2000/01
Casual during years when getting a ticket was never an issue - or ridiculously expensive - plus I could still get away with youth discounts, just about
2001/02
Member - back when there was only one (cheap) type (I think only a tenner), a great season drew me into attending more regularly and those early years of posting on the Wrath helped me feel more connected
2002/03 - 2008/09
Home STH
including 2004/05
also Away STH (pretty sure it was twenty quid but with a tenner discount on some condition of multiple purchases; I have ticket stubs for both £20 & £10), when I correctly predicted that we were only likely to taste a single season of Prem footy, so grab as many away grounds in as you can, whilst you can (being a ground-hunter type of fan); I could also afford to be going to all the homes and aways for once, plus this was a period when I'd switched playing footy for watching it and had the beer belly to show for it
2009/10
Away STH (still just twenty) - for a number of personal reasons I'd had to ditch my Home ST, but with us dropping to League One I couldn't resist a whole glut of new grounds (or stomach the idea of going completely cold turkey)
2010/11 - 2014/15
Casual but beneficiary of spare family Home ST, typically a small handful of midweeks due to travel/work issues for family member living in the sticks
2015/16 - 2017/18
"Priority" Member - PM had initially been bought to aid purchase of Wembley tickets at the end of 14/15 (as on my customer number nothing had been bought for all those years of benefitting from a spare ST, so I was in a lower priority group to my partner, with the other ST being used by family); that pair of STs had been given up for family reasons and replaced by 3 PMs but over these years casual prices kept rising (paid fifty at one point!) and you were always scrapping online for obscured view single seats tucked in the corner infills
2018/19
Casual - ditched the PMs and focussed on completing our 92 as neutral groundhopping football tourists with 10 non-Norwich aways; that said, we still clocked a single Norwich away game (thanks to Wrath help on my return here due to panic it'd sell out, though in the end it did go to general sale) plus five league games and a cup game at home
So I've tasted life from all sides of the ticketing spectrum, from successful to unsuccessful ballots for Portaloo (thankfully missing out on them beating us as we headed out of the league in the wrong direction), from the days of the hallowed "Ten Stubs Club", collecting actual ticket stubs and getting them marked at the ticket office to sort out your following seasons travels, to bemoaning Home STHs getting a thousand point head start on me (when I never benefitted from this during my STH days).
That itself would've been a welcome tweek rather than this wholesale sea-change. I feel sorry for Away STHs, that I assume after this season will be chucked into the same lottery as the rest once their ring fencing is removed. Having it all done automatically was part of the benefits too, so they certainly have my sympathies for the added hassle they'll now face this season. The cynic in me agrees that the ring fencing was a fire fighting move to placate the chosen seven (two of which I've read from on Twitter the other night) and those they most represented. The cynic in me also has sympathies for those that felt forced in a maddened panic of confusion, rage, betrayal and FOMO to stump up the lottery tax, with the timing of the announcement then swift release of sale, followed by the in-house distraction doc that I refuse to watch and be placated by neatly in time for the fixture release to make it all literally yesterday's news. Out of principle we won't be paying two hundred quid lottery tax. We'll instead take our chances on general sale and retain our rights to casual freedom of choice without caveats; £30 is welcome for homes, though the chances of getting anything with ~1,500 available and thousands of tax payers ahead of us are obviously slim to none (though perhaps improving once back in the Champ). As for aways, as ground-hunters, we obviously only have eyes for the new White Hart Lane, though so will every other Tom, Dick and Harry at every other club, never mind just ours. Then the fixture computer chucked it on a school night anyway, as one of only two term-time midweeks (as it stands), so we'll have to wait on that one. Salford City is our main away aim, to rejoin the 92 Club plus we want to venture into more women's football grounds. Doubling up the memberships required felt like a real f**k-you move and a better system could've involved accruing points for both homes and aways as a casual, that way you could clock up the required visits from a combination. There seems to be next to no point in the lower priced tax rate, especially if numbers in the group above it are so high. I can understand as a former STH about the importance of price-per-game but Home STHs will have to console themselves that they do at least have their seat guaranteed for every match and haven't got a mad scrap on their hands every fortnight.
So as Anita Byrne herself stated on Twitter ( User Posted Link one of the hallowed Secret Seven alongside 'Keith A' User Posted Link ), it won't be worth the tax for me if we only end up doing a couple of homes and aways, which is all we'd likely get the chance of anyway. Which is I suppose what they were trying to avoid to put off all those Yarmouth Reds. I'm the most casual of casual and that comes at a cost. A cost of little to no Norwich games at least for this season. I'm sure I had more salient points to make on this but it's fast approaching four in the morning, plus from the percentage of Wrathing I've already trawled through over the last couple of days, people have already covered most of these points. Nobody's gonna bother with all my guff on top, especially not with their cornflakes before work. Fuck it, spot of Matt Jones checking out this weekend's Crankworx Innsbruck Slopestyle course for ten minutes of dirt jump bike heaven before bed...
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Posted By: DJ Ginga on June 14th 2019 at 04:00:09
Message Thread
- Thought as a casual I should perhaps chuck my tuppence ha'penny into the Wrath's ring... (NCFC) - DJ Ginga, Jun 14, 04:00:09
- Not enough words (n/m) (NCFC) - Augustus Pablo, Jun 14, 08:24:29
- Too much Meth.... (n/m) (NCFC) - usacanary, Jun 14, 17:55:17
- I'm no Tory... (n/m) (NCFC) - DJ Ginga, Jun 14, 19:02:57
- My apologies x (n/m) (NCFC) - DJ Ginga, Jun 14, 14:31:38
- Too much Meth.... (n/m) (NCFC) - usacanary, Jun 14, 17:55:17
- Ps it depresses me how the club has been allowed to blur two separate issues (NCFC) - Jim, Jun 14, 08:18:56
- Yeah they've smoke-and-mirrors shafted us here to cash-in big time. (NCFC) - DJ Ginga, Jun 14, 14:30:53
- "Cash in big time"....seriously..... (NCFC) - usacanary, Jun 14, 17:54:45
- Alright, moneybags... (NCFC) - DJ Ginga, Jun 14, 19:02:00
- "Cash in big time"....seriously..... (NCFC) - usacanary, Jun 14, 17:54:45
- Yeah they've smoke-and-mirrors shafted us here to cash-in big time. (NCFC) - DJ Ginga, Jun 14, 14:30:53
- There are lots of things that p**s me off about it (NCFC) - Jim, Jun 14, 08:07:35
- INRAT (n/m) (NCFC) - MIKEWALKER, Jun 14, 07:52:18
- ? (n/m) (NCFC) - DJ Ginga, Jun 14, 14:27:04
- ahh, thanks Jumbo... (NCFC) - DJ Ginga, Jun 14, 14:36:02
- ? (n/m) (NCFC) - DJ Ginga, Jun 14, 14:27:04
- Who/what is 'the chosen 7' as in (NCFC) - Azteca, Jun 14, 07:45:41
- It was. It wasn’t in the plan before that “consultation” (n/m) (NCFC) - Jim, Jun 14, 08:08:46
- i think its the chosen 750 (NCFC) - ghostof barry butler, Jun 14, 07:50:02
- The thing I thought was interesting in that thread from twitter (NCFC) - camcan, Jun 14, 08:24:16
- Yep, all part of the masterplan... (n/m) (NCFC) - DJ Ginga, Jun 14, 14:25:15
- Yes and they realised it would go down like a sack of sh*t so quickly added the 10 tickets (NCFC) - Jim, Jun 14, 08:34:57
- Isn't he talking about the 7 people who were called in for the 'consultation'? (n/m) (NCFC) - Brom, Jun 14, 07:52:05
- Brom knew. (n/m) (NCFC) - DJ Ginga, Jun 14, 14:26:07
- No he means the 7 fans they consulted (n/m) (NCFC) - CWC, Jun 14, 07:51:58
- Previously fan consultations were minuted. Bet this isn’t. (n/m) (NCFC) - Jim, Jun 14, 08:09:50
- ah my mistake ... sorry (n/m) (NCFC) - ghostof barry butler, Jun 14, 08:03:35
- The thing I thought was interesting in that thread from twitter (NCFC) - camcan, Jun 14, 08:24:16
- Just unfair on away fans (NCFC) - ede, Jun 14, 07:16:41
- 👏🏻 (NCFC) - Tombs, Jun 14, 07:57:25
- Out of interest, what else have they done other than this to make you so angry? (n/m) (NCFC) - lurd, Jun 14, 08:02:45
- none of your business (NCFC) - Tombs, Jun 14, 08:04:26
- U ok hun? (n/m) (NCFC) - lurd, Jun 14, 08:07:26
- totally fine (NCFC) - Tombs, Jun 14, 08:08:05
- Just interested really. (NCFC) - lurd, Jun 14, 08:11:32
- ok, tell me precisely what you would like to snide at in public (n/m) (NCFC) - Tombs, Jun 14, 08:13:33
- No sneering at all, was genuinely interested what’s upset you. (NCFC) - lurd, Jun 14, 08:18:31
- ok, perhaps i've been too cryptic (NCFC) - Tombs, Jun 14, 08:25:58
- No that’s totally fair? (NCFC) - lurd, Jun 14, 08:29:53
- that's all grand lurd no problem (NCFC) - Tombs, Jun 14, 08:32:55
- More than entitled to. (NCFC) - lurd, Jun 14, 08:39:04
- ah, that's nice congratulations (NCFC) - Tombs, Jun 14, 08:49:30
- Yep, same here. (NCFC) - DJ Ginga, Jun 14, 14:05:39
- 👍🏻 (NCFC) - lurd, Jun 14, 08:55:28
- NCFC Must've made a fortune this week (NCFC) - strap_on sally, Jun 14, 08:55:18
- that's awful, i didn't appreciate this aspect (NCFC) - Tombs, Jun 14, 09:11:31
- I have written off the already slender chances of taking little'un to his first FCR game (NCFC) - Arizona Bay, Jun 14, 09:25:30
- I'd like to possibly take my kids to a couple of away games next year (NCFC) - strap_on sally, Jun 14, 09:16:54
- or indeed, £200 for the possibility of not getting them (NCFC) - Tombs, Jun 14, 09:25:14
- This is the bit where I think they've really fallen down (NCFC) - camcan, Jun 14, 09:24:52
- I've ditched my son;s junior canaries membership and got him an away membership instead (NCFC) - Jim, Jun 14, 09:24:27
- Ps Tombs - i reckon you will be ok for games like Everton, Newcastle, Burnley, Saints away (NCFC) - Jim, Jun 14, 09:25:48
- Someone with the away membership can buy an away ticket for someone else (NCFC) - strap_on sally, Jun 14, 09:30:36
- I think this is what I am going to do (NCFC) - CWC, Jun 14, 09:51:41
- I'm sure if a Wrather wanted to go to an away game (NCFC) - strap_on sally, Jun 14, 10:07:37
- It's what I relied on for Boro away last season (though I could've held my nerve and used (NCFC) - DJ Ginga, Jun 14, 14:18:34
- I'm sure if a Wrather wanted to go to an away game (NCFC) - strap_on sally, Jun 14, 10:07:37
- I think this is what I am going to do (NCFC) - CWC, Jun 14, 09:51:41
- cheers jim fingers crossed. for the record if i've got a spare home ticket because my son (NCFC) - Tombs, Jun 14, 09:29:22
- I'd be happy to pay you for the odd game mate (n/m) (NCFC) - strap_on sally, Jun 14, 09:34:51
- there we go, first come first served. case closed (NCFC) - Tombs, Jun 14, 09:36:49
- Gracias (n/m) (NCFC) - strap_on sally, Jun 14, 09:38:09
- there we go, first come first served. case closed (NCFC) - Tombs, Jun 14, 09:36:49
- Cheers. i think there will need to be a bit of that next season! Brings into focus the (NCFC) - Jim, Jun 14, 09:31:47
- Wrath marketplace filter, please Ben... (NCFC) - DJ Ginga, Jun 14, 14:21:54
- I'd be happy to pay you for the odd game mate (n/m) (NCFC) - strap_on sally, Jun 14, 09:34:51
- Someone with the away membership can buy an away ticket for someone else (NCFC) - strap_on sally, Jun 14, 09:30:36
- Ps Tombs - i reckon you will be ok for games like Everton, Newcastle, Burnley, Saints away (NCFC) - Jim, Jun 14, 09:25:48
- that's awful, i didn't appreciate this aspect (NCFC) - Tombs, Jun 14, 09:11:31
- ah, that's nice congratulations (NCFC) - Tombs, Jun 14, 08:49:30
- More than entitled to. (NCFC) - lurd, Jun 14, 08:39:04
- that's all grand lurd no problem (NCFC) - Tombs, Jun 14, 08:32:55
- No that’s totally fair? (NCFC) - lurd, Jun 14, 08:29:53
- ok, perhaps i've been too cryptic (NCFC) - Tombs, Jun 14, 08:25:58
- No sneering at all, was genuinely interested what’s upset you. (NCFC) - lurd, Jun 14, 08:18:31
- ok, tell me precisely what you would like to snide at in public (n/m) (NCFC) - Tombs, Jun 14, 08:13:33
- Just interested really. (NCFC) - lurd, Jun 14, 08:11:32
- totally fine (NCFC) - Tombs, Jun 14, 08:08:05
- U ok hun? (n/m) (NCFC) - lurd, Jun 14, 08:07:26
- none of your business (NCFC) - Tombs, Jun 14, 08:04:26
- Out of interest, what else have they done other than this to make you so angry? (n/m) (NCFC) - lurd, Jun 14, 08:02:45
- 👏🏻 (NCFC) - Tombs, Jun 14, 07:57:25
- I don’t believe it’s all a conspiracy, certainly. (NCFC) - APB, Jun 14, 07:02:27
- Yeah BK's eyes looked so shifty during that pre-emptive strike Pink 'Un propaganda vid (NCFC) - DJ Ginga, Jun 14, 13:45:30
- Thats the issue I have "the £50 may easily be recouped in cheaper tickets" (NCFC) - Jim, Jun 14, 08:30:49
- You're talking about the away £50, when I've talked about recouping (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Jun 14, 08:41:31
- Nobody has a problem with the home membership proposal as far as I can see (NCFC) - Jim, Jun 14, 08:53:39
- i do. It's going to be *very* expensive for those of us that have little 'uns and can (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Jun 14, 10:00:08
- Ok but i was replying to APB who was talking about away tickets. I do (NCFC) - Jim, Jun 14, 10:19:34
- his last line was "Build a bigger stand..." was he talking about away games? (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Jun 14, 10:26:36
- My bigger stand comment was merely to point our they could sell more ST. (NCFC) - APB, Jun 14, 10:59:39
- his last line was "Build a bigger stand..." was he talking about away games? (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Jun 14, 10:26:36
- Ok but i was replying to APB who was talking about away tickets. I do (NCFC) - Jim, Jun 14, 10:19:34
- I don't see the need for TWO separate memberships (NCFC) - mr carra, Jun 14, 09:25:39
- Like a points system maybe (NCFC) - duke of york, Jun 14, 09:33:20
- I've not found a single one with a separate away membership yet and for all of them (NCFC) - Jim, Jun 14, 09:30:40
- waves (NCFC) - CWC, Jun 14, 09:12:02
- Ok sorry did not appreciate that but you are at least getting some form of (NCFC) - Jim, Jun 14, 09:29:04
- The old system was fine, personally (NCFC) - CWC, Jun 14, 10:20:34
- It seems misconceived all round to be honest. The modern game eh! (NCFC) - Jim, Jun 14, 11:16:50
- The old system was fine, personally (NCFC) - CWC, Jun 14, 10:20:34
- vmt - also, in some ways the home membership is even more of (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Jun 14, 09:22:40
- yes, it's ill conceived (NCFC) - CWC, Jun 14, 10:03:55
- Ok sorry did not appreciate that but you are at least getting some form of (NCFC) - Jim, Jun 14, 09:29:04
- But I still very much dount they are "losing" revenue in comparison with last season (NCFC) - Jim, Jun 14, 08:54:46
- i do. It's going to be *very* expensive for those of us that have little 'uns and can (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Jun 14, 10:00:08
- Nobody has a problem with the home membership proposal as far as I can see (NCFC) - Jim, Jun 14, 08:53:39
- You're talking about the away £50, when I've talked about recouping (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Jun 14, 08:41:31
- Hi TBF (NCFC) - CWC, Jun 14, 06:55:09
- Yep agreed and sadly I'm not one of those. (NCFC) - DJ Ginga, Jun 14, 13:39:27
- Oh and I know you were being cheeky but... (NCFC) - DJ Ginga, Jun 14, 13:50:54
- Yep agreed and sadly I'm not one of those. (NCFC) - DJ Ginga, Jun 14, 13:39:27
- Membership (NCFC) - letsbehavinyou, Jun 14, 06:42:19
- Yes, my partner recalls something like this, so that probably explains the additional (NCFC) - DJ Ginga, Jun 14, 13:34:22
- Not enough words (n/m) (NCFC) - Augustus Pablo, Jun 14, 08:24:29
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