the govt is reaping the harvest of calling a vote for its own purposes

without doing any preparation whatsoever before putting something so important to a public vote.

There was no real explanation of what the vote would specifically mean, how it would would be done or what we would do once out of the EU should the leave vote win.

They arrogantly assumed that remain would win and they'd cunningly win over all the Ukip and far right elements and come out of it smelling rosy. Instead they've been exposed as a bunch of shysters and ill-prepared fools leading the country towards economic disaster while they fight amongst themselves against a backdrop of an irreparably split nation where the Union itself is now at risk.

Prepare properly, draw up remain and leave plans and then call an informed referendum. I think it's the only sensible way forward. It's far from ideal, but the current alternatives are unthinkably terrible

Posted By: Worzel Scrimmage on December 4th 2018 at 18:15:36

Message Thread

And the Government lose. (n/m) (General Chat) - DrDublin, Dec 4, 16:41:11
- What a great fucking day (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Dec 4, 18:59:02
  - Been dogging? (n/m) (General Chat) - Jumbo1, Dec 4, 22:24:29
- PM Corbyn soon then. I might come back for all the free stuff. (n/m) (General Chat) - shoddy, Dec 4, 18:53:10
  - Have a year here to get free stuff then fuck off to Auz before the economy ends up (General Chat) - Tony Martin, Dec 4, 19:33:07
    - yes, because he'd end capitalism and democracy wouldn't he (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Dec 4, 20:07:43
- s (n/m) (General Chat) - revsimon, Dec 4, 18:21:57
  - Is the PM waving or drowning? (n/m) (General Chat) - revsimon, Dec 4, 18:22:29
- My brexit prediction is still bang on target.... (n/m) (General Chat) - usacanary, Dec 4, 17:49:40
- And now another vote before the 9 days of mass debate starts? (n/m) (General Chat) - Huge Small, Dec 4, 16:52:34
  - ridiculous thing is that MPs aren't likely to even read it (General Chat) - CWC, Dec 4, 16:57:06
    - Whole thing is very unedifying and Starmer should know better to be honest (General Chat) - Jim, Dec 4, 17:34:08
      - the EU must be delighted (General Chat) - paulg, Dec 4, 17:58:26
        
        This is for the withdrawal agreement - that negotiation is finished (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Dec 4, 18:41:05
        
        The WA and the future relationship (General Chat) - paulg, Dec 4, 19:24:44
        
        there is nothing legally binding about the Political Declaration (i.e. the future relation (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Dec 4, 19:38:40
        
        We'll soon see I suppose! (n/m) (General Chat) - paulg, Dec 4, 19:59:02
        
        They have been throughout. Plus opposition parties meeting with them (General Chat) - Jim, Dec 4, 18:08:15
        
        yes, we may, but profoundly damaged (n/m) (General Chat) - paulg, Dec 4, 18:10:23
        
        Yes, but less damaged than if we come out. (n/m) (General Chat) - CB41, Dec 4, 19:24:33
        
        That's very hard to judge (General Chat) - paulg, Dec 4, 19:32:45
      - Which is what they want in order to force a no deal (n/m) (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Dec 4, 17:40:06
        
        Perhaps had May not tried to shut parliament out all the way through, might have more good (General Chat) - DrDublin, Dec 4, 18:12:25
        
        Possibly. Should really have convened a cross party working group (General Chat) - Jim, Dec 4, 18:22:38
        
        no, they're not trying to force a No Deal (General Chat) - CWC, Dec 4, 17:50:54
        
        Remain wins a further referendum (General Chat) - Jim, Dec 4, 17:57:29
        
        i frear greatly a failure to honour the referendum (General Chat) - paulg, Dec 4, 18:02:19
        
        the govt is reaping the harvest of calling a vote for its own purposes (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Dec 4, 18:15:36
        
        the decision to hold the referendum was passed overwhelmingly in parliament (General Chat) - paulg, Dec 4, 18:18:33
        
        yes, absolutely madness on all sides and a huge lack of foresight (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Dec 4, 18:27:18
        
        oddly enough I think May was right today in her into speech (General Chat) - CWC, Dec 4, 21:27:10
        
        I don’t have an issue with another referendum to be honest (General Chat) - Jim, Dec 4, 18:11:54
        
        The irony is that it will force remain, not no deal. (General Chat) - Jim, Dec 4, 17:42:13
  - Can't think they'll lose this one. Embarrassing to lose the amendment though. (n/m) (General Chat) - DrDublin, Dec 4, 16:55:33
    - LOLF! (n/m) (General Chat) - Huge Small, Dec 4, 16:59:30
      - My power of the jink doesn't only include sportage! (n/m) (General Chat) - DrDublin, Dec 4, 17:00:33
        
        JINX FFS !! (General Chat) - Jumbo1, Dec 4, 19:30:33
        
        haha indeed, I didn't dare say they would lose just in case I ballsed it (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Dec 4, 17:02:27
        
        You think they voted against it for the people or for their own political agenda? (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Dec 4, 17:29:56
        
        the tory whips in full effect (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Dec 4, 17:49:13
        
        Not sure who but someone clearly commented "the wheels are off now" as that vote came in! (n/m) (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Dec 4, 17:50:50
    - I think there's a good chance (n/m) (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Dec 4, 16:57:23
      - Lolf, spot on Worz!!!! (n/m) (General Chat) - DrDublin, Dec 4, 16:59:31
        
        BOOM! won by a widish margin in fact, and quite right too (n/m) (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Dec 4, 17:00:46
- Such drama! (n/m) (General Chat) - tim berry, Dec 4, 16:46:25
  - Terribly good fun isn't it!! (n/m) (General Chat) - DrDublin, Dec 4, 16:48:13

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