no, they're not trying to force a No Deal

Labour are trying to make sure of a defeat on the WA which will then give them the opportunity to call a No Confidence motion (and so a chance at a GE)

Everyone knows that TMPM almost certainly wins a No Confidence vote, so that the ultimate outcome of defeating the WA is a either a Norway+ option (unlikely given free movement) or a People's Vote

The danger there is that, depending on how a further referendum is phrased, there's a good chance of a No Deal result.

I have a morbid fascination in trying to work out how a further referendum plays out. Does TMPM fight for Leave (with the prospect of her deal still being rejected and a no deal outcome) or Remain (as she did originally, but a full 180 on her current stance)?

Posted By: CWC on December 4th 2018 at 17:50:54

Message Thread

And the Government lose. (n/m) (General Chat) - DrDublin, Dec 4, 16:41:11
- What a great fucking day (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Dec 4, 18:59:02
  - Been dogging? (n/m) (General Chat) - Jumbo1, Dec 4, 22:24:29
- PM Corbyn soon then. I might come back for all the free stuff. (n/m) (General Chat) - shoddy, Dec 4, 18:53:10
  - Have a year here to get free stuff then fuck off to Auz before the economy ends up (General Chat) - Tony Martin, Dec 4, 19:33:07
    - yes, because he'd end capitalism and democracy wouldn't he (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Dec 4, 20:07:43
- s (n/m) (General Chat) - revsimon, Dec 4, 18:21:57
  - Is the PM waving or drowning? (n/m) (General Chat) - revsimon, Dec 4, 18:22:29
- My brexit prediction is still bang on target.... (n/m) (General Chat) - usacanary, Dec 4, 17:49:40
- And now another vote before the 9 days of mass debate starts? (n/m) (General Chat) - Huge Small, Dec 4, 16:52:34
  - ridiculous thing is that MPs aren't likely to even read it (General Chat) - CWC, Dec 4, 16:57:06
    - Whole thing is very unedifying and Starmer should know better to be honest (General Chat) - Jim, Dec 4, 17:34:08
      - the EU must be delighted (General Chat) - paulg, Dec 4, 17:58:26
        
        This is for the withdrawal agreement - that negotiation is finished (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Dec 4, 18:41:05
        
        The WA and the future relationship (General Chat) - paulg, Dec 4, 19:24:44
        
        there is nothing legally binding about the Political Declaration (i.e. the future relation (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Dec 4, 19:38:40
        
        We'll soon see I suppose! (n/m) (General Chat) - paulg, Dec 4, 19:59:02
        
        They have been throughout. Plus opposition parties meeting with them (General Chat) - Jim, Dec 4, 18:08:15
        
        yes, we may, but profoundly damaged (n/m) (General Chat) - paulg, Dec 4, 18:10:23
        
        Yes, but less damaged than if we come out. (n/m) (General Chat) - CB41, Dec 4, 19:24:33
        
        That's very hard to judge (General Chat) - paulg, Dec 4, 19:32:45
      - Which is what they want in order to force a no deal (n/m) (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Dec 4, 17:40:06
        
        Perhaps had May not tried to shut parliament out all the way through, might have more good (General Chat) - DrDublin, Dec 4, 18:12:25
        
        Possibly. Should really have convened a cross party working group (General Chat) - Jim, Dec 4, 18:22:38
        
        no, they're not trying to force a No Deal (General Chat) - CWC, Dec 4, 17:50:54
        
        Remain wins a further referendum (General Chat) - Jim, Dec 4, 17:57:29
        
        i frear greatly a failure to honour the referendum (General Chat) - paulg, Dec 4, 18:02:19
        
        the govt is reaping the harvest of calling a vote for its own purposes (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Dec 4, 18:15:36
        
        the decision to hold the referendum was passed overwhelmingly in parliament (General Chat) - paulg, Dec 4, 18:18:33
        
        yes, absolutely madness on all sides and a huge lack of foresight (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Dec 4, 18:27:18
        
        oddly enough I think May was right today in her into speech (General Chat) - CWC, Dec 4, 21:27:10
        
        I don’t have an issue with another referendum to be honest (General Chat) - Jim, Dec 4, 18:11:54
        
        The irony is that it will force remain, not no deal. (General Chat) - Jim, Dec 4, 17:42:13
  - Can't think they'll lose this one. Embarrassing to lose the amendment though. (n/m) (General Chat) - DrDublin, Dec 4, 16:55:33
    - LOLF! (n/m) (General Chat) - Huge Small, Dec 4, 16:59:30
      - My power of the jink doesn't only include sportage! (n/m) (General Chat) - DrDublin, Dec 4, 17:00:33
        
        JINX FFS !! (General Chat) - Jumbo1, Dec 4, 19:30:33
        
        haha indeed, I didn't dare say they would lose just in case I ballsed it (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Dec 4, 17:02:27
        
        You think they voted against it for the people or for their own political agenda? (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Dec 4, 17:29:56
        
        the tory whips in full effect (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Dec 4, 17:49:13
        
        Not sure who but someone clearly commented "the wheels are off now" as that vote came in! (n/m) (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Dec 4, 17:50:50
    - I think there's a good chance (n/m) (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Dec 4, 16:57:23
      - Lolf, spot on Worz!!!! (n/m) (General Chat) - DrDublin, Dec 4, 16:59:31
        
        BOOM! won by a widish margin in fact, and quite right too (n/m) (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Dec 4, 17:00:46
- Such drama! (n/m) (General Chat) - tim berry, Dec 4, 16:46:25
  - Terribly good fun isn't it!! (n/m) (General Chat) - DrDublin, Dec 4, 16:48:13

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