That may or may not be the outcome but what I was referring to is that

essentually this wording being out forward was a fudge to try and enable us to get onto "Phase 2" at which stage these types of discussions can be had in their proper context - namely looking at the fututre relationship and trading arrangements.

Its incredibly difficult to have this discussion in the abstract which is what is now happening because of what happened yesterday. They need to get on to "Phase 2" to try and unlock the Irish border situation because it cannot be resolved unless you look at the futute relationship. The EU and Irish original demands in this respect were manifestly unreasonable because of this.

The hysteria of the last 24 hours has therefore not been helpful to anyone. As far as i am aware (please correct me if i'm wrong) that text was not a legally binding commitment at this stage and will ot be until embodied in the leaving/transitional agreement. If it becomes clear there is not going to be an agreement then it would go out the window but if there is going to be an agreement then there will have to be "alignment" in key areas in any event.

Posted By: Jim on December 5th 2017 at 18:46:52

Message Thread

if we are going to have the same rules as the EU (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Dec 5, 16:03:16
- Wow. Next thing they’ll be telling us the trade deals aren’t better! (n/m) (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Dec 5, 21:43:26
- The first link is to the Guardian the second link is to the Daily Mail. (n/m) (General Chat) - norway, Dec 5, 16:49:42
  - Norway (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Dec 5, 17:06:16
    - Don’t think he is. (General Chat) - avenging canary, Dec 5, 18:48:36
      - I know right? (General Chat) - norway, Dec 5, 19:21:12
  - Balanced reporting? (n/m) (General Chat) - CB41, Dec 5, 16:54:18
  - Balanced (n/m) (General Chat) - yellowman, Dec 5, 16:53:45
- wow - how did that happen? (n/m) (General Chat) - Higher Wrather, Dec 5, 16:23:52
  - Lol (n/m) (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Dec 5, 21:42:57
  - Because we hoisted our flag to the EU mast for 40 years and the powers (General Chat) - CB41, Dec 5, 16:42:09
    - *that*, *too* (n/m) (General Chat) - CB41, Dec 5, 16:46:58
  - Too many people voted Tory? (n/m) (General Chat) - avenging canary, Dec 5, 16:33:20
- Exactly what I assumed would happen, which is the main reason (General Chat) - CB41, Dec 5, 16:19:56
  - We wouldn't necessarily get "all the rules" though (General Chat) - Jim, Dec 5, 17:07:50
    - Oh Jim Jim Jim (General Chat) - SCC 28, Dec 5, 17:58:50
    - 'all the fuss' LMAO (General Chat) - CWC, Dec 5, 17:54:42
      - That may or may not be the outcome but what I was referring to is that (General Chat) - Jim, Dec 5, 18:46:52
        
        Dont fall for the 'we need to agree Phase 2 first' crap (General Chat) - CWC, Dec 5, 20:40:30
        
        I would say the Irish and EU demands were on the whole reasonable based on previous... (General Chat) - Dandy Highburyman, Dec 5, 19:12:57
      - NATO looking to remove EU border crossing rules for troops (General Chat) - Tombs, Dec 5, 18:40:42
      - Played (n/m) (General Chat) - Dandy Highburyman, Dec 5, 18:24:42
      - And the whole procedure, to end up back where we started but (General Chat) - CB41, Dec 5, 18:13:17
    - will it mean we get to keep our bendy bananas? (General Chat) - Tombs, Dec 5, 17:17:20
- Project Fear, stop talking Britain down. (General Chat) - mr chimp, Dec 5, 16:16:44
- It's almost like we had no plan or idea what we were in for! (n/m) (General Chat) - lurd, Dec 5, 16:14:46
  - If only someone had warned people! (General Chat) - bird table, Dec 5, 17:05:09
    - Yeah, but experts eh?? (n/m) (General Chat) - CB41, Dec 5, 17:16:41

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