Very true, although I think it also depends on how long-term you are

prepared to think. For left-wing voters, what is the point of Labour always returning to a centre, neo-liberal leader just to win the next short term election. They will never achieve the social progress they want that way.

A significant change in political focus isn't going to happen overnight in the current UK, but over the long term, campaigning as a relative minority party is the only way for a non-consensus party to gain power.

Who would have thought 10 years ago that the main ideals of the Referendum Party would ever represent 52% of the country.

Posted By: Mecagoenti on June 25th 2016 at 14:02:19

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Good speech from Corbyn a little while ago (n/m) (General Chat) - essexcanaryOTBC, Jun 25, 11:59:52
- If he had any decency he would resign. (General Chat) - avenging canary, Jun 25, 12:14:19
  - What a weird thing to say... cos Tories are split, PM just resigned and the UK voted to (General Chat) - Larry Hagman, Jun 25, 12:30:05
    - Or all the disenfranchised traditional Labour voters who voted Leave (General Chat) - Ken Breadstick, Jun 25, 13:14:01
      - Corbyn wanted a reformed EU, not to just fuck off. (n/m) (General Chat) - essexcanaryOTBC, Jun 25, 13:21:39
    - No. He's an awful leader full stop. Nothing to do with Brexit. (General Chat) - avenging canary, Jun 25, 12:41:06
      - He has vastly increased the number of members in his party (n/m) (General Chat) - Larry Hagman, Jun 25, 13:17:27
  - getting elected isn't really his job (General Chat) - Mecagoenti, Jun 25, 12:27:32
    - Interesting view (General Chat) - CWC, Jun 25, 13:40:26
      - Very true, although I think it also depends on how long-term you are (General Chat) - Mecagoenti, Jun 25, 14:02:19
        
        Well that's certainly true (n/m) (General Chat) - CWC, Jun 25, 14:24:14
      - Think he needs to do both, garnish support from members and get elected (General Chat) - essexcanaryOTBC, Jun 25, 13:49:57
    - Agree. He represents something different in politics, bridging the gap bewteen (General Chat) - essexcanaryOTBC, Jun 25, 12:48:19
      - I think that is one of the key problems (General Chat) - Mecagoenti, Jun 25, 12:57:08
        
        It's about leadership, not necessarily charisma, although that helps. (General Chat) - avenging canary, Jun 25, 13:18:46
        
        The problems with his leadership are (General Chat) - Mecagoenti, Jun 25, 13:23:40
        
        See. Lack of leadership. I'm glad we agree! (n/m) (General Chat) - avenging canary, Jun 25, 14:01:20
        
        He is leading the left wing element of his party (General Chat) - Mecagoenti, Jun 25, 14:03:47
        
        So he needs to sort them. That takes leadership. (General Chat) - avenging canary, Jun 25, 14:20:48
        
        Yesterday day you said you would be happy with Teresa May or Chuka Umunna (General Chat) - Mecagoenti, Jun 25, 14:28:53
        
        Rather than Boris Johnson. Which depressing looks like what we'll get. (n/m) (General Chat) - avenging canary, Jun 25, 14:34:40
        
        Very depressing we give psychopathic charmer narcissists all the power to lead us :( (General Chat) - essexcanaryOTBC, Jun 25, 13:04:04
    - The vote was hijacked. Join for ?3 and vote. (General Chat) - avenging canary, Jun 25, 12:43:50
      - Same can happen with the new tory leadership too can't it? (n/m) (General Chat) - essexcanaryOTBC, Jun 25, 12:48:57
        
        No idea to be honest. (n/m) (General Chat) - avenging canary, Jun 25, 12:56:55
        
        I think it might be the same. Tory members to vote for the next PM (General Chat) - essexcanaryOTBC, Jun 25, 13:04:45

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