what will we be 'freed' from though?
I run a small side business, consumer facing. The main EU 'red tape' that I see involves consumer protection (eg distance selling, electronic marketing, what I can do with customer data). One day I'll need to worry about EU rules on workers rights etc but for now it's just me and the dog.
A business not trading with the EU at all can already ignore as irrelevant EU legislation that specifically governs intra-EU trade. But there's actually very little that falls into that bracket, most things have much wider benefit.
There are still the universal standards to comply with, but these are all things like consumer protection, data protection, environmental regulations, worker safety, worker's rights, competition law, product safety, equality, product labelling, financial regulation to keep banks stable etc etc. I don't see how any of that is irrelevant to a UK consumer, unless you think it's just wrong in principle to have protections about such matters (like many of those at the top of the Leave campaign do).
I am yet to see the Out campaign actually tell me what the EU legislation that is supposedly so bad for UK businesses actually is. Can you give me any examples of what we're going to be freed from? All I can surmise is that the 'red tape' that the Out campaign refers to is the stuff that protects you and me the and environment. It may be 'bad' and costly for business, but it's good for the rest of us.
The Out campaign is not selling the vision that you set out - it is selling the idea that this stuff is Bad and that we will get to remove it.
If we're going to keep it anyway, isn't a key plank of the argument for Exit disingenuous at best?
Posted By: CWC on April 29th 2016 at 14:23:47
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- Last night's discussion on the EU (General Chat) - Jim, Apr 29, 10:03:39
- None of them answered the question that really mattered. (General Chat) - Pit, Apr 29, 12:12:30
- I don't disagree. Its not a matter of race or even what nationality any (General Chat) - Jim, Apr 29, 13:14:31
- Exactly and no one ever acknowledges the problem. (General Chat) - Pit, Apr 29, 13:30:30
- I don't disagree. Its not a matter of race or even what nationality any (General Chat) - Jim, Apr 29, 13:14:31
- I'm an Inner because I firmly believe that being in the EU (General Chat) - Chopper, Apr 29, 11:48:26
- Take a visit to Boston and ask the locals if hey share your view. (n/m) (General Chat) - Pit, Apr 29, 12:31:05
- So that's what the Out campaign comes down to is it? (General Chat) - Chopper, Apr 29, 12:46:07
- Its lack of services. NHS , GPs, Housing etc Its not sustainable. (General Chat) - Pit, Apr 29, 13:19:33
- Well make your mind up because you want them but insist (General Chat) - Chopper, Apr 29, 13:35:39
- I never said I didnt want them here. I am neither an inner or outer. (General Chat) - Pit, Apr 29, 13:45:06
- It doesn't just come down to that but levels of migration are a legitimate issue (General Chat) - Jim, Apr 29, 13:43:40
- That is also true Jim. However, there are many who use that card to satisfy their own (General Chat) - Pit, Apr 29, 13:56:04
- Why is it that this is ALWAYS the issue and in most cases (General Chat) - Chopper, Apr 29, 14:14:36
- Oh I agree with you on tha totally. The money used to bail out the odius banks could (General Chat) - Pit, Apr 29, 14:54:42
- Well said, good to agree on that! (n/m) (General Chat) - Chopper, Apr 29, 16:27:24
- Oh I agree with you on tha totally. The money used to bail out the odius banks could (General Chat) - Pit, Apr 29, 14:54:42
- Why is it that this is ALWAYS the issue and in most cases (General Chat) - Chopper, Apr 29, 14:14:36
- That is also true Jim. However, there are many who use that card to satisfy their own (General Chat) - Pit, Apr 29, 13:56:04
- Well make your mind up because you want them but insist (General Chat) - Chopper, Apr 29, 13:35:39
- Its lack of services. NHS , GPs, Housing etc Its not sustainable. (General Chat) - Pit, Apr 29, 13:19:33
- So that's what the Out campaign comes down to is it? (General Chat) - Chopper, Apr 29, 12:46:07
- Your claim re positives is just so, so far from my perception of the two campaigns (General Chat) - Jim, Apr 29, 12:00:05
- Why do you think they are false claims? (General Chat) - CWC, Apr 29, 12:11:52
- We will keep some regulations/legislation and we will be freed of some (General Chat) - Jim, Apr 29, 13:04:52
- what will we be 'freed' from though? (General Chat) - CWC, Apr 29, 14:23:47
- I don't have any specific examples no because I work for myself and do not (General Chat) - Jim, Apr 29, 14:58:28
- I agree. There's still this popular misconception that we're (General Chat) - Chopper, Apr 29, 14:41:45
- what will we be 'freed' from though? (General Chat) - CWC, Apr 29, 14:23:47
- Deafening... (n/m) (General Chat) - Yellalee, Apr 29, 12:53:04
- We will keep some regulations/legislation and we will be freed of some (General Chat) - Jim, Apr 29, 13:04:52
- Why do you think they are false claims? (General Chat) - CWC, Apr 29, 12:11:52
- Take a visit to Boston and ask the locals if hey share your view. (n/m) (General Chat) - Pit, Apr 29, 12:31:05
- I'm with you on this one Jim, I'm naturally an 'outer' anyway, but the....... (General Chat) - Kirrie, Apr 29, 10:49:31
- Yes although its stretching it to think that the entire population of Turkey will move to (General Chat) - Jim, Apr 29, 12:03:17
- Agreed, but the point is they will have the right to move. (n/m) (General Chat) - Kirrie, Apr 29, 12:24:11
- Yes although its stretching it to think that the entire population of Turkey will move to (General Chat) - Jim, Apr 29, 12:03:17
- ...and I take the other view... (General Chat) - Old Man, Apr 29, 10:17:45
- This is so true, (General Chat) - I Am Hoot, Apr 29, 10:53:24
- I agree entirely about the quality of the debate and I think (General Chat) - Jim, Apr 29, 10:27:20
- *positively*, Brom was too hung over from his birthday to care (n/m) (General Chat) - Old Man, Apr 29, 10:18:26
- Unfortunately not.... (General Chat) - Brom, Apr 29, 10:23:11
- textbook cityfathering. (n/m) (General Chat) - MIKEWALKER, Apr 29, 11:28:15
- Congratulations Dad! That's great news mate. (n/m) (General Chat) - Old Man, Apr 29, 10:24:45
- Unfortunately not.... (General Chat) - Brom, Apr 29, 10:23:11
- It's what boris Johnson wants though... (General Chat) - loz, Apr 29, 10:14:24
- None of them answered the question that really mattered. (General Chat) - Pit, Apr 29, 12:12:30
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