Last night's discussion on the EU
Interesting to see and missed it as was watching "Question Time" where actually I thought that one person who spoke extremely well on the issue was Alec Salmond. I don't agree with him on a lot of things but when I see him speak I am always impressed with how he puts his views across and I can see why he and Sturgeon (perhaps free from the baggage of being part of a major political party and due to having a clear mission to their politics) have garnered so much support in Scotland in recent years.
What he said based on his Scottish referendum experience, and with which I agree, is that people should vote in referendums such as this primarily based on what they believe and on matters of principle and should disregard most of the bluster and fearmongering on both sides. I believe that too. My own belief is that economically we will be ok whichever decision is taken although I also slightly despair that we appear to have reached a situation where economic considerations govern our every decision when there are fundamental questions of democracy and sovereignty at stake.
I'm on record on here as being an "outer." As the political persuasions on this board are generally left of centre i'm not surprised that there appear to be more inners than outers. Each to their own but I think the suggestion that there have been no constructive arguments put forward by the out side is wrong, they may have been shouted down or not put as well as they could have been but when you break it down to the fundamental principles I believe the case for out is far stronger than in.
Posted By: Jim on April 29th 2016 at 10:03:39
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- Last night's discussion on the EU (General Chat) - Jim, Apr 29, 10:03:39
- None of them answered the question that really mattered. (General Chat) - Pit, Apr 29, 12:12:30
- I don't disagree. Its not a matter of race or even what nationality any (General Chat) - Jim, Apr 29, 13:14:31
- Exactly and no one ever acknowledges the problem. (General Chat) - Pit, Apr 29, 13:30:30
- I don't disagree. Its not a matter of race or even what nationality any (General Chat) - Jim, Apr 29, 13:14:31
- I'm an Inner because I firmly believe that being in the EU (General Chat) - Chopper, Apr 29, 11:48:26
- Take a visit to Boston and ask the locals if hey share your view. (n/m) (General Chat) - Pit, Apr 29, 12:31:05
- So that's what the Out campaign comes down to is it? (General Chat) - Chopper, Apr 29, 12:46:07
- Its lack of services. NHS , GPs, Housing etc Its not sustainable. (General Chat) - Pit, Apr 29, 13:19:33
- Well make your mind up because you want them but insist (General Chat) - Chopper, Apr 29, 13:35:39
- I never said I didnt want them here. I am neither an inner or outer. (General Chat) - Pit, Apr 29, 13:45:06
- It doesn't just come down to that but levels of migration are a legitimate issue (General Chat) - Jim, Apr 29, 13:43:40
- That is also true Jim. However, there are many who use that card to satisfy their own (General Chat) - Pit, Apr 29, 13:56:04
- Why is it that this is ALWAYS the issue and in most cases (General Chat) - Chopper, Apr 29, 14:14:36
- Oh I agree with you on tha totally. The money used to bail out the odius banks could (General Chat) - Pit, Apr 29, 14:54:42
- Well said, good to agree on that! (n/m) (General Chat) - Chopper, Apr 29, 16:27:24
- Oh I agree with you on tha totally. The money used to bail out the odius banks could (General Chat) - Pit, Apr 29, 14:54:42
- Why is it that this is ALWAYS the issue and in most cases (General Chat) - Chopper, Apr 29, 14:14:36
- That is also true Jim. However, there are many who use that card to satisfy their own (General Chat) - Pit, Apr 29, 13:56:04
- Well make your mind up because you want them but insist (General Chat) - Chopper, Apr 29, 13:35:39
- Its lack of services. NHS , GPs, Housing etc Its not sustainable. (General Chat) - Pit, Apr 29, 13:19:33
- So that's what the Out campaign comes down to is it? (General Chat) - Chopper, Apr 29, 12:46:07
- Your claim re positives is just so, so far from my perception of the two campaigns (General Chat) - Jim, Apr 29, 12:00:05
- Why do you think they are false claims? (General Chat) - CWC, Apr 29, 12:11:52
- We will keep some regulations/legislation and we will be freed of some (General Chat) - Jim, Apr 29, 13:04:52
- what will we be 'freed' from though? (General Chat) - CWC, Apr 29, 14:23:47
- I don't have any specific examples no because I work for myself and do not (General Chat) - Jim, Apr 29, 14:58:28
- I agree. There's still this popular misconception that we're (General Chat) - Chopper, Apr 29, 14:41:45
- what will we be 'freed' from though? (General Chat) - CWC, Apr 29, 14:23:47
- Deafening... (n/m) (General Chat) - Yellalee, Apr 29, 12:53:04
- We will keep some regulations/legislation and we will be freed of some (General Chat) - Jim, Apr 29, 13:04:52
- Why do you think they are false claims? (General Chat) - CWC, Apr 29, 12:11:52
- Take a visit to Boston and ask the locals if hey share your view. (n/m) (General Chat) - Pit, Apr 29, 12:31:05
- I'm with you on this one Jim, I'm naturally an 'outer' anyway, but the....... (General Chat) - Kirrie, Apr 29, 10:49:31
- Yes although its stretching it to think that the entire population of Turkey will move to (General Chat) - Jim, Apr 29, 12:03:17
- Agreed, but the point is they will have the right to move. (n/m) (General Chat) - Kirrie, Apr 29, 12:24:11
- Yes although its stretching it to think that the entire population of Turkey will move to (General Chat) - Jim, Apr 29, 12:03:17
- ...and I take the other view... (General Chat) - Old Man, Apr 29, 10:17:45
- This is so true, (General Chat) - I Am Hoot, Apr 29, 10:53:24
- I agree entirely about the quality of the debate and I think (General Chat) - Jim, Apr 29, 10:27:20
- *positively*, Brom was too hung over from his birthday to care (n/m) (General Chat) - Old Man, Apr 29, 10:18:26
- Unfortunately not.... (General Chat) - Brom, Apr 29, 10:23:11
- textbook cityfathering. (n/m) (General Chat) - MIKEWALKER, Apr 29, 11:28:15
- Congratulations Dad! That's great news mate. (n/m) (General Chat) - Old Man, Apr 29, 10:24:45
- Unfortunately not.... (General Chat) - Brom, Apr 29, 10:23:11
- It's what boris Johnson wants though... (General Chat) - loz, Apr 29, 10:14:24
- None of them answered the question that really mattered. (General Chat) - Pit, Apr 29, 12:12:30
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