Gisela Stuart, a sensible Labour MP, born in Germany but moved here in her late

teens, believes passionately that we should leave. She thinks that the EU is irredeemably flawed, and that enlargement has weakened it fatally. For me, she goes some way to outweigh the preposterous Little-Englanders on the leave side.

Posted By: Higher Wrather on April 28th 2016 at 22:35:54

Message Thread

Will their be a Brexit landside in the EU referendum? I don't know anyone who wants in. (General Chat) - jimbo, Apr 28, 21:06:12
- OUT..... (General Chat) - hoolahan, Apr 28, 23:55:10
- I'd say 90% of people I've discussed it with still haven't decided (n/m) (General Chat) - Tony Martin, Apr 28, 22:53:24
  - Agreed. Few people seem to care about EU vote, more bothered by plans for schools & NHS (n/m) (General Chat) - Larry Hagman, Apr 28, 22:56:40
    - quite rightly so (General Chat) - Tombs, Apr 28, 23:04:37
      - Loads of Tories I know are v.angry about plans to make all state schools academies (n/m) (General Chat) - Larry Hagman, Apr 28, 23:12:41
        
        ooh, i'm sorry i dont know loads of tories (General Chat) - Tombs, Apr 28, 23:17:45
- That's odd (General Chat) - Duck, Apr 28, 22:46:30
  - I only know one person who wants out, (General Chat) - I Am Hoot, Apr 28, 23:19:12
  - I know very few. (n/m) (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Apr 28, 22:54:01
- Gisela Stuart, a sensible Labour MP, born in Germany but moved here in her late (General Chat) - Higher Wrather, Apr 28, 22:35:54
  - Does she have any actual supporting analysis ? That's what I'm missing. (n/m) (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Apr 28, 22:55:01
    - PRECISELY! (Answer is no!) (n/m) (General Chat) - Chopper, Apr 28, 23:05:52
  - But can she spell? (n/m) (General Chat) - Tony Martin, Apr 28, 22:39:00
- Why do you want out? What advantage do you think (General Chat) - Chopper, Apr 28, 22:31:47
- Can't understand why anyone would want to leave (General Chat) - Chopper, Apr 28, 22:29:46
  - Of course not. But then an outer would say you have no balls. You can't be (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Apr 28, 22:53:19
    - And there lies the problem with the Outers Steve. (General Chat) - Chopper, Apr 28, 23:04:46
      - Nonsense. It's the other way round. (n/m) (General Chat) - Jim, Apr 29, 09:19:16
      - Exactly. Yet sadly as gustav le Bon described, that's precisely how to manipulate a crowd (n/m) (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Apr 28, 23:11:15
        
        Those who have something to gain from us leaving the EU are the issue for me. (n/m) (General Chat) - APB, Apr 28, 23:16:44
- I have yet to read a social media post by an outer without spelling and grammar errors. (n/m) (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Apr 28, 22:07:03
  - How very childish (n/m) (General Chat) - Sonic, Apr 28, 22:25:19
    - It's a statement of fact. I'm yet to read any argument supported (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Apr 28, 22:50:00
      - Trouble with facts (General Chat) - harry boulders, Apr 28, 22:57:33
        
        I have no idea. I've seen nothing from the outlets which I can judge. (n/m) (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Apr 28, 23:13:09
  - How very outre! (n/m) (General Chat) - Garry Brooke, Apr 28, 22:16:38
- The thing that's getting on my tits is. (General Chat) - harry boulders, Apr 28, 21:53:25
  - There is force to that argument, though (General Chat) - Old Man, Apr 28, 21:57:18
    - but thats just you saying we'd be better off in than out with no justification same as the (General Chat) - Tombs, Apr 28, 22:00:01
      - Nothing is perfect anywhere. But nobody has any substance to their arguments and it is (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Apr 28, 23:45:46
  - Going to the dentist is pretty crap (General Chat) - mr carra, Apr 28, 21:55:44
    - like good oral hygiene and a healthy diet? (n/m) (General Chat) - Tombs, Apr 28, 22:05:08
- I'm voting out (General Chat) - Tombs, Apr 28, 21:50:22
- Grudging "remain", is my prediction. Something like 54-46. (General Chat) - Old Man, Apr 28, 21:40:57
  - the campaigns have been dismal so far (General Chat) - matt in london, Apr 28, 21:46:20
- Views on Brexit are extremely predictable based on geography, demographics, education etc. (General Chat) - King, Apr 28, 21:38:23
  - The same applies to many different subjects too. (n/m) (General Chat) - harry boulders, Apr 28, 21:45:56
    - Yeah, when I'm at Carrow Road, everyone there supports Norwich. (n/m) (General Chat) - Trent_Canary, Apr 28, 22:03:24
    - Yes, but there aren't referenda on those things. (n/m) (General Chat) - King, Apr 28, 21:48:43
- Everyone I know are inners (n/m) (General Chat) - CB41, Apr 28, 21:33:38
- I was thinking it may be like the general election. (General Chat) - avenging canary, Apr 28, 21:30:02
  - In general I don't think the leavers are shy at all. Quite the opposite, in fact. (n/m) (General Chat) - Sir Thomas, Apr 28, 21:59:27
    - That's the point. (General Chat) - avenging canary, Apr 28, 22:06:53
      - No - I'm fundamentally disagreeing with you. I think the opposite. (General Chat) - Sir Thomas, Apr 28, 22:12:25
        
        Based on what evidence? (General Chat) - avenging canary, Apr 28, 22:19:54
        
        Sorry, it's not an assumption. It's based on polling. These (n/m) (General Chat) - Sir Thomas, Apr 28, 22:23:14
        
        ...issues have already been mentioned quite a bit by analysts. (n/m) (General Chat) - Sir Thomas, Apr 28, 22:24:21
        
        The polls and analysts were spot on for the general election... (General Chat) - avenging canary, Apr 28, 22:27:30
        
        But I'm talking about actual results as well as pre-election polls. (General Chat) - Sir Thomas, Apr 28, 22:40:26
        
        But that's what I mean. We don't know who is eurosceptic or not yet... (General Chat) - avenging canary, Apr 29, 04:45:43
        
        Were they? I didn't think a majority was anticipated (n/m) (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Apr 28, 22:30:24
        
        Whoosh! (n/m) (General Chat) - avenging canary, Apr 28, 22:33:59
        
        Oh I see (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Apr 28, 22:59:43
  - ^this (n/m) (General Chat) - Chris Peacock, Apr 28, 21:41:06
- I think inners will win cause people's default is whst they know - (General Chat) - Men without hats, Apr 28, 21:27:11
- I feel the same but maybe its just that we live in a area with high immigration (n/m) (General Chat) - ihateipswich, Apr 28, 21:26:24
- The bookies have it well in favour of staying in (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Apr 28, 21:24:25
- People that want to stay probably just less vocal... (General Chat) - loz, Apr 28, 21:09:52
  - Yep (n/m) (General Chat) - CWC, Apr 28, 21:30:54
  - They are certainly more vocal. If you an inner amongst a group of outers.... (General Chat) - jimbo, Apr 28, 21:16:32
  - yeah agreed (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Apr 28, 21:13:45
    - IF they can be encouraged, yes. The outers more motivated I woud say. (n/m) (General Chat) - jimbo, Apr 28, 21:18:13
      - definitely, they have a hardcore or support regardless of the campaigns (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Apr 28, 21:23:12
        
        In campaign needs to drop project fear and just start selling the EU (General Chat) - CWC, Apr 28, 21:41:17
        
        yep, you've got to say it'll be a lot easier to mobilise the outers (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Apr 28, 21:44:29
  - I'm a (n/m) (General Chat) - Jumbo1, Apr 28, 21:13:28
    - bout to have another beer (n/m) (General Chat) - Old Man, Apr 28, 21:53:29
    - hot date (General Chat) - Old Git, Apr 28, 21:47:03
    - hot date (General Chat) - Old Git, Apr 28, 21:42:50
    - Little teapot (n/m) (General Chat) - Men without hats, Apr 28, 21:24:35
    - Lesbian vegan. (n/m) (General Chat) - harry boulders, Apr 28, 21:19:59
    - ideot (General Chat) - Chris Peacock, Apr 28, 21:16:51
    - Tiger (n/m) (General Chat) - harry boulders, Apr 28, 21:16:26

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