I would dispute that those managers actually 'got worse'

Their results did. I'm sure they were doing the same thing (why would you change a winning formula). But my contention is that a reasonably small percentage (probably 30% at most) of the outcome of any given game you play is down to what your manager does, so their apparent loss in performance is more likely down the other factors determining the outcome of games going their way for one spell and against you in another).
I am sure Lambert, for example, employed the same approach at Villa as here. But here all those other factors broke his way which made him look good and there it didn't which made him look bad. The truth is probably somewhere between the two.

Posted By: mr carra on March 7th 2016 at 10:17:41

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Given our lack of financial firepower (NCFC) - happy clappy hughes, Mar 7, 07:18:56
- That rookie manager gave us the best day in... (NCFC) - loz, Mar 7, 08:28:49
  - Bayern Munich best day for me (NCFC) - happy clappy hughes, Mar 7, 09:05:11
    - Promotion under lambert and worthington better... (NCFC) - loz, Mar 7, 09:11:28
      - There's no doubting it was special (NCFC) - happy clappy hughes, Mar 7, 09:12:52
        
        Bayern top of the list? Really?? (NCFC) - Old Git, Mar 7, 11:06:41
        
        Will never happen again (n/m) (NCFC) - happy clappy hughes, Mar 7, 11:17:30
        
        Acheivement might have been greater, but for a one off, one time event... (NCFC) - Brom, Mar 7, 09:14:21
        
        My thoughts exactly (n/m) (NCFC) - loz, Mar 7, 09:16:27
        
        Would think your in the minority in terms of what means more to people (n/m) (NCFC) - loz, Mar 7, 09:13:34
        
        I'm in the minority with most of my views on NCFC (NCFC) - happy clappy hughes, Mar 7, 09:34:35
- Ideot Man City! (NCFC) - Bravo win or die, Mar 7, 08:03:46
  - He has however won nearly every other trophy (NCFC) - happy clappy hughes, Mar 7, 09:06:44
- Ah well. (n/m) (NCFC) - I Am Hoot, Mar 7, 07:32:18
- Like Newcastle? (n/m) (NCFC) - inutero, Mar 7, 07:29:04
  - Newcastle are a different kettle of fish (NCFC) - happy clappy hughes, Mar 7, 07:36:22
    - Who knows? (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Mar 7, 07:47:06
      - But is it best to roll the dice and gamble (NCFC) - happy clappy hughes, Mar 7, 09:08:19
        
        Except time won't tell as we will only know what actually happens (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Mar 7, 09:26:08
        
        fair point (NCFC) - happy clappy hughes, Mar 7, 09:44:16
        
        vmt (NCFC) - mr carra, Mar 7, 09:39:11
        
        Not necessarily sitting back and taking the... (NCFC) - loz, Mar 7, 09:21:29
    - Howe had to learn somewhere though, (NCFC) - I Am Hoot, Mar 7, 07:44:38
      - Howe learnt his trade at lower level (NCFC) - happy clappy hughes, Mar 7, 09:10:23
        
        he won't always be though (NCFC) - mr carra, Mar 7, 09:42:20
        
        Bad run? (NCFC) - happy clappy hughes, Mar 7, 09:45:53
        
        but is that caused by a poor squad (caused by our resources) or poor management? (NCFC) - mr carra, Mar 7, 09:54:02
        
        current form is not acceptable (NCFC) - happy clappy hughes, Mar 7, 10:04:56
        
        regardless of whether it is acceptable... (NCFC) - mr carra, Mar 7, 10:11:22
        
        Buck stops with the manager in terms of results on the pitch (NCFC) - happy clappy hughes, Mar 7, 10:31:04
        
        Not sure he's had more than Hoot when you factor ... (NCFC) - loz, Mar 7, 10:11:18
        
        Fingers crossed you our right (n/m) (NCFC) - happy clappy hughes, Mar 7, 10:59:01
        
        *You are* (NCFC) - happy clappy hughes, Mar 7, 11:12:23
        
        We are probably placed... (NCFC) - loz, Mar 7, 09:49:34
        
        He will become a better manager for this experience... (NCFC) - loz, Mar 7, 09:41:27
        
        this is also a key point (NCFC) - mr carra, Mar 7, 09:51:03
        
        is this not always the case though (NCFC) - happy clappy hughes, Mar 7, 10:09:18
        
        I would dispute that those managers actually 'got worse' (NCFC) - mr carra, Mar 7, 10:17:41
        
        Last sentence is probably spot on (NCFC) - happy clappy hughes, Mar 7, 10:47:06
        
        Exactly right, both you and loz (n/m) (NCFC) - I Am Hoot, Mar 7, 10:02:15

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