Do folk honestly think it's about "moaning when we lose"? Jesus H
It's not about being successful or not being successful. Norwich City will never be that successful a club. It's about TRYING to be successful.
When the club goes out and appoints Neil Adams, Bryan Gunn, Glenn Roeder, Peter Grant, or Bryan Hamilton; when it leaves Nigel Worthington in a year past his sell-by date; and when it dithers, and dithers, and dithers some more over Chris Hughton, it isn't trying to be successful. It isn't being bold, it isn't being ambitious, it isn't doing its homework in any way. It's being stupid, and selling everyone short.
Every managerial appointment is a risk to some degree. Every single one. So most clubs look to reduce their odds as far as possible - and in Norwich's case, when we brought Lambert in, or even when we brought Hughton in, we actually got ruthless for a change. We started behaving like other successful clubs.
Yet it turns out that the only reason we did this was:
1. Because not coming straight back up out of League 1 = administration, and the destruction of Delia's legacy forever
2. Because staying in the Prem for another year after Lambert left was critical given the bank loans we had to pay off
Now, we're just straight back to the same old cuddly soft touch rollover and play dead Norwich. "We wanted to sack Hughton, but there was no-one available". Was Lambert available? Was Hughton available? It's laughable.
And the problem with being the same old cuddiy soft touch rollover and play dead Norwich is a win here or a win there won't change that. The club is shrinking in status week by week. Failure to go up this season - which is inevitable, frankly - will mean, in all likelihood, a decade at this level, or maybe even worse.
That's why I'm angry - because we're not trying to be successful, at a time we can least afford it. And in that case, what's the point of us? "I've been a football fan for 50 years, and I know that sometimes we win, and sometimes we lose"... we could end up in the Conference and folk would still be saying that: while continually targeting manager after manager (targeting symptoms, never the cause), yet somehow letting those who are actually responsible get away with it.
10 months ago or so on here, I suggested we'd quite likely be mid-table in the Championship by now. For this, I was "moaning, negative", you name it. Others "wanted to be back in the Championship, because we'll win most weeks!" Unbelievable. The Amnesiacs of the Barclay.
At Old Trafford, in Adams' second match, I could see the same old pathetic default Norwich were well and truly back. This was an outrageous thing to say too apparently. So was castigating our disgraceful failure to try and win the game at Chelsea; so was stating after the Fulham game last month that we were quite clearly going nowhere but downwards.
It's bloody obvious where this club is going - just as it was bloody obvious where it was going between 2005 and 2009. That's what happens when a football club has no leadership, no desire to succeed, and no clue.
Posted By: thebigfeller on November 26th 2014 at 17:21:57
Message Thread
- Do folk honestly think it's about "moaning when we lose"? Jesus H (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Nov 26, 17:21:57
- I don't think it was a bold appointment in Lambert, we were lucky, pure and simple (NCFC) - trianglepatch, Nov 26, 21:59:56
- To be fair it annoys me just as much when people are so accepting (NCFC) - Mickdundee, Nov 26, 19:09:53
- Modern media and rolling news could be to blame for this mirroring itself (NCFC) - pants, Nov 26, 19:21:08
- and? what do you want me to do about it? (NCFC) - Tombs, Nov 26, 18:51:43
- i'm waiting for the protest march from the swimming pool (n/m) (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Nov 26, 19:20:04
- the march of the drips (n/m) (NCFC) - Tombs, Nov 26, 19:33:35
- So, a re packaged greatest hits wotb all last season? (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Nov 26, 18:57:47
- have you had too much sunny delight this afternoon? (NCFC) - Tombs, Nov 26, 18:59:30
- potty mouth (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Nov 26, 19:02:52
- have you had too much sunny delight this afternoon? (NCFC) - Tombs, Nov 26, 18:59:30
- i'm waiting for the protest march from the swimming pool (n/m) (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Nov 26, 19:20:04
- The Chelsea game was an utter disgrace.. (NCFC) - phrankin, Nov 26, 18:45:33
- s (n/m) (NCFC) - usacanary, Nov 26, 19:53:04
- agreed 100%.....even Jose was perplexed (NCFC) - usacanary, Nov 26, 19:58:11
- s (n/m) (NCFC) - usacanary, Nov 26, 19:53:04
- You make it sound like its easy to run a football club (NCFC) - strap_on sally, Nov 26, 18:26:07
- Couldn't agree more BUT... (NCFC) - loz, Nov 26, 18:27:26
- This is droves (NCFC) - pants, Nov 26, 18:44:48
- As a non supporter of Norwich I couldn't care less what you think pants (NCFC) - strap_on sally, Nov 26, 19:35:39
- Exactly just eliminate the crazy shit is all we ask! (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Nov 26, 18:27:57
- This is droves (NCFC) - pants, Nov 26, 18:44:48
- Easy not to make stupid decisions (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Nov 26, 18:27:26
- Couldn't agree more BUT... (NCFC) - loz, Nov 26, 18:27:26
- what do you think the solution is? (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Nov 26, 18:04:56
- Hiring a football manager would be a good start (NCFC) - SCC 28, Nov 26, 18:08:54
- Mikey you really are an annoying little cunt (NCFC) - strap_on sally, Nov 26, 18:27:47
- I can believe it (NCFC) - SCC 28, Nov 26, 18:29:43
- You have never ever been proven once to be right (NCFC) - strap_on sally, Nov 26, 19:38:55
- I can believe it (NCFC) - SCC 28, Nov 26, 18:29:43
- Mikey you really are an annoying little cunt (NCFC) - strap_on sally, Nov 26, 18:27:47
- Hiring a football manager would be a good start (NCFC) - SCC 28, Nov 26, 18:08:54
- People just can't see it mate (NCFC) - SCC 28, Nov 26, 17:53:49
- Of course it's ok to be annoyed about it, just (NCFC) - CB41, Nov 26, 18:01:52
- VMT. Capitals and rhetorical questions, over and over. (n/m) (NCFC) - avenging canary, Nov 26, 21:32:51
- That would be giving up (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Nov 26, 18:04:46
- It would be shutting up and leaving other folk to be pissed off in peace (n/m) (NCFC) - CB41, Nov 26, 18:05:44
- Hang on Mikey, that's not right. (NCFC) - APB, Nov 26, 18:00:24
- I'm sure they're trying to succeed (NCFC) - SCC 28, Nov 26, 18:03:11
- TBF, they do have an excuse - (NCFC) - CB41, Nov 26, 18:04:57
- Lunatics yes (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Nov 26, 18:06:02
- If we start going down the literal route I'm off. (n/m) (NCFC) - APB, Nov 26, 18:06:37
- Lunatics yes (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Nov 26, 18:06:02
- TBF, they do have an excuse - (NCFC) - CB41, Nov 26, 18:04:57
- Exactly this (n/m) (NCFC) - Adster, Nov 26, 18:01:37
- I'm sure they're trying to succeed (NCFC) - SCC 28, Nov 26, 18:03:11
- Everyone sees it (NCFC) - norway, Nov 26, 17:56:59
- Well said that man. (n/m) (NCFC) - avenging canary, Nov 26, 21:34:15
- Norwich fans on the whole just aren't that bothered? (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Nov 26, 17:59:29
- I have a season ticket. I go to several away games a season. (NCFC) - APB, Nov 26, 18:02:48
- *that* bothered about results and success (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Nov 26, 18:05:45
- That depends on how you define success (n/m) (NCFC) - CB41, Nov 26, 18:06:47
- Making competent decisions (NCFC) - SCC 28, Nov 26, 18:10:03
- And suppose they'd made a "competent" decision to employ a "proper" manager (NCFC) - CB41, Nov 26, 18:12:44
- I'd hope he was replaced before doing too much damage (NCFC) - SCC 28, Nov 26, 18:14:39
- And suppose they'd made a "competent" decision to employ a "proper" manager (NCFC) - CB41, Nov 26, 18:12:44
- Making competent decisions (NCFC) - SCC 28, Nov 26, 18:10:03
- That depends on how you define success (n/m) (NCFC) - CB41, Nov 26, 18:06:47
- *that* bothered about results and success (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Nov 26, 18:05:45
- I have a season ticket. I go to several away games a season. (NCFC) - APB, Nov 26, 18:02:48
- No one has said they can do no wrong have they? (n/m) (NCFC) - Adster, Nov 26, 17:55:14
- Maybe people just don't care that they do wrong (NCFC) - SCC 28, Nov 26, 17:57:37
- Would you like a board made up of billionaires instead? I genuinely wouldn't (n/m) (NCFC) - Adster, Nov 26, 18:10:19
- No just a board making competent decisions (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Nov 26, 18:10:48
- what do you think the fans can or should do about it? (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Nov 26, 18:07:40
- Try to influence the board (NCFC) - SCC 28, Nov 26, 18:13:08
- I think that was a very poor decision (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Nov 26, 18:21:43
- Ha you think we'd have stayed up under hughton? (NCFC) - SCC 28, Nov 26, 18:26:47
- I think that was a very poor decision (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Nov 26, 18:21:43
- He probably thinks we should shoot McNally in the face (n/m) (NCFC) - CB41, Nov 26, 18:08:51
- Try to influence the board (NCFC) - SCC 28, Nov 26, 18:13:08
- I'm not that arsed, no. In fact I don't know why I'm still posting about it. I hope (NCFC) - Adster, Nov 26, 18:00:40
- It surely beats work (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Nov 26, 18:06:30
- Would you like a board made up of billionaires instead? I genuinely wouldn't (n/m) (NCFC) - Adster, Nov 26, 18:10:19
- Feels like it at times... (NCFC) - loz, Nov 26, 17:57:01
- Maybe people just don't care that they do wrong (NCFC) - SCC 28, Nov 26, 17:57:37
- Of course it's ok to be annoyed about it, just (NCFC) - CB41, Nov 26, 18:01:52
- The Chelsea game was a shambles... (NCFC) - loz, Nov 26, 17:46:15
- What would you prefer (NCFC) - norway, Nov 26, 17:41:01
- Maybe you could provide a load of cheap unhelpful replies to display the fact you (NCFC) - pants, Nov 26, 17:58:12
- Stop escalating pants (NCFC) - norway, Nov 26, 18:15:01
- = same users had a day of nostalgia (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Nov 26, 18:18:39
- Stop escalating pants (NCFC) - norway, Nov 26, 18:15:01
- Maybe you could provide a load of cheap unhelpful replies to display the fact you (NCFC) - pants, Nov 26, 17:58:12
- To your credit you moan when we win too :- (n/m) (NCFC) - Adster, Nov 26, 17:34:05
- That thing on the end was sposed to be an internet winky face thing. (NCFC) - Adster, Nov 26, 17:35:09
- It looks like you're calling him a dick (n/m) (NCFC) - yarmyyarmy, Nov 26, 17:45:43
- New emoticon invented just there. (n/m) (NCFC) - APB, Nov 26, 18:03:44
- lol (NCFC) - Huge Small, Nov 26, 17:57:35
- ha ha (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Nov 26, 17:55:01
- I'm not, honestly! (n/m) (NCFC) - Adster, Nov 26, 17:52:39
- So you've been skiving off all day on the wrath (NCFC) - Huge Small, Nov 26, 17:59:33
- I believe you :) (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Nov 26, 17:56:30
- It looks like you're calling him a dick (n/m) (NCFC) - yarmyyarmy, Nov 26, 17:45:43
- That thing on the end was sposed to be an internet winky face thing. (NCFC) - Adster, Nov 26, 17:35:09
- It's credible you go into depth of it all (NCFC) - pants, Nov 26, 17:27:04
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