Maybe, but, as the writer of AB's piece says, the Labour government then allowed the SNP

to gain credibility through the Scottish Assembly, and did nothing to make Scots feel warmer towards Westminster. That's given Scots the (probably mistaken) self-confidence the lack of which has probably been the only thing that held back the resentment.

Unfortunately, the Scots' feeling they're more badly done to by Westminster is wrong - most of England outside the South East of England probably feels the same, and Wales certainly does.

Posted By: Higher Wrather on September 8th 2014 at 15:31:36

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Sweaty Independence, NBTTT - this is a well written piece, enjoyed it: (General Chat) - Arizona Bay, Sep 8, 13:42:03
- it's a very funny piece (General Chat) - matt in london, Sep 8, 18:03:32
- This is good and it chimes well with my "what the *actual* fuck??" feelings (General Chat) - norway, Sep 8, 14:28:18
  - It started with Thatcher and her arrogant disregard for Scotland. And ironic that the (General Chat) - Higher Wrather, Sep 8, 14:45:31
    - Maybe, but, as the writer of AB's piece says, the Labour government then allowed the SNP (General Chat) - Higher Wrather, Sep 8, 15:31:36
    - I think devolution and the Edinburgh parliament was their attempt to 'correct' that (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Sep 8, 14:47:39
      - Right on both counts, it was intended as a sop to Cerberus (General Chat) - Old Git, Sep 8, 14:57:19
- good piece. (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 8, 14:24:11
  - It's good that the UK never has to borrow money (General Chat) - yarmyyarmy, Sep 8, 14:47:20
    - *pfft* (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Sep 8, 14:51:49
  - They also forget who bailed out RBS and HBOS, both of which would have been.... (General Chat) - Kirrie, Sep 8, 14:42:49
    - yep, forgot about them! (n/m) (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 8, 14:49:31
- They have the chance to never to be governed by the Tories/Bullingdon Club (General Chat) - Brandonio, Sep 8, 14:20:53
  - The only reason we're here now is because Scotland grew sick of Labour. (General Chat) - norway, Sep 8, 14:29:43
    - that may be true but (General Chat) - Brandonio, Sep 8, 14:31:00
      - Classic combo though, innit (General Chat) - norway, Sep 8, 14:33:32
        
        Plus stupid people voting (General Chat) - Old Git, Sep 8, 14:48:37
    - Blair and Brown have a lot to answer for...... (n/m) (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 8, 14:30:37
      - In the end, it is actually the Tory party that have failed to maintain any meaningful (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Sep 8, 14:44:09
        
        Thatcher has a huge share of the blame (General Chat) - Old Git, Sep 8, 14:52:35
        
        Not totally true - in 18 general elections since 1945....... (General Chat) - Kirrie, Sep 8, 14:51:53
        
        Indeed. I'm talking about the past 20 years (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Sep 8, 14:54:18
        
        A lot of Tory voters defected to the SNP, funnily enough (General Chat) - Old Git, Sep 8, 14:59:18
        
        tbf the SNP argument isn't terribaly different to the Eurosceptic Tory argument on Europe (General Chat) - CWC, Sep 8, 15:08:42
        
        Absolutely (General Chat) - Old Git, Sep 8, 15:14:44
        
        And yet Salmond was once thrown out for being too left wing! (n/m) (General Chat) - CB41, Sep 8, 15:05:11
        
        Thatcher I'd guess (n/m) (General Chat) - CB41, Sep 8, 14:59:01
        
        irn bru snatcher. (n/m) (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 8, 15:07:33
        
        i think you're right.... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 8, 14:51:48
      - Yep. They may well have guaranteed a Tory Government in England for the next millennium. (General Chat) - norway, Sep 8, 14:31:39
        
        nope, wont happen. (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 8, 14:33:29
        
        I think you're missing the point Chelts. (General Chat) - norway, Sep 8, 14:34:54
        
        Something that I saw.... (General Chat) - Adster, Sep 8, 14:40:42
        
        This isn't actually true (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Sep 8, 14:38:49
        
        Yep, my bad - see reply to CWC below. (n/m) (General Chat) - norway, Sep 8, 14:46:05
        
        i DO get your point..... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 8, 14:38:02
        
        not true (General Chat) - CWC, Sep 8, 14:37:59
        
        There's only 1 Tory MP in Scotland and over 40 from Labour..... (General Chat) - Kirrie, Sep 8, 14:48:16
        
        Indeed. As per my question above - (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Sep 8, 14:49:46
        
        Ironically they do much better under the PR system up here.... (General Chat) - Kirrie, Sep 8, 14:54:01
        
        It's interesting how many people south of the border think this is true though (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Sep 8, 14:46:04
        
        There are two reasons why people in England haven't engaged with it (General Chat) - norway, Sep 8, 14:49:44
        
        Ah (General Chat) - norway, Sep 8, 14:45:41
        
        This is why labour never like the constiuency boundaries being re-drawn.... (General Chat) - Kirrie, Sep 8, 14:59:57
  - but..... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 8, 14:25:04
    - Too right - the Salmond and Sturgeon show, god help us! (n/m) (General Chat) - Kirrie, Sep 8, 14:33:52
  - Do you know your crass and ill informed that sounds!? (n/m) (General Chat) - Kirrie, Sep 8, 14:25:04
    - just an opinion! (n/m) (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 8, 14:25:57
      - oops, wrong place! (n/m) (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 8, 14:26:28
- If we were given a vote to seperate london from the rest of the UK, or perhaps Angular (General Chat) - megson, Sep 8, 13:51:23
  - There was a discussion I heard this morning, and (General Chat) - Jim Nasium, Sep 8, 14:06:18
  - Let's vote off Suffolk and sell it to Qatar (General Chat) - Old Git, Sep 8, 13:57:36
    - The Cornish will be next (n/m) (General Chat) - pants, Sep 8, 14:03:28
      - you can have York (n/m) (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Sep 8, 14:09:20
      - They'll put an export tax on pasties (General Chat) - yarmyyarmy, Sep 8, 14:07:38
    - Can they re-draw the county boundary before they do? (General Chat) - Jim Nasium, Sep 8, 14:01:42
- It would be funny as it would piss off the Rangers' fans (General Chat) - yarmyyarmy, Sep 8, 13:50:33
  - A Scot said to me the other day that the easy and instant way to guarantee a no vote (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Sep 8, 14:22:05
    - Fuck the pair of them, Celtic are suffering from having ni genuine challenge, they're dre (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Sep 8, 15:21:56
      - vmt (n/m) (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 8, 15:30:44
    - trouble is....that'll piss off most english/welsh clubs in the champs and lower (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 8, 14:28:18
- but the United Kingdom will carry on as there's still the Taffs for the English to lord it (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Sep 8, 13:49:06
  - and the North. (n/m) (General Chat) - CB41, Sep 8, 13:54:15
    - you're still English so suck it up and deal with it (n/m) (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Sep 8, 13:56:05
- Scottish Daily Mail (General Chat) - Old Git, Sep 8, 13:48:54

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